Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 02 Apr 2009, 02:59
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so might be possible to clones vst in usine and in cubase, rec the first note in usine while bouncing in cubase..
good idea rather than try to reproduct it in usine, to use it in cubase. but sure that it is probably a bit complex. i think to a midi message sent by usine that trig a macro for render in cubase and after to get back the file, when cubase render , i suppose that it takes the hand over all process so you need to use a second computer and to get back generated file between computers. arghhh !!!
Statistics: Posted by pansoul — 02 Apr 2009, 02:54
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one usine instance in non audio just send midi for cubase bouce, one usine audio on play the first note, then swich to the rendered file and swich off the patch. a bit complex and depends on uses also... I understand you may ask for non realtime "real time vsti mixdown" export
directly in usine, I would second but not bielieving too much, and could understand it must be ouch..very complex to implement sadly,Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 02 Apr 2009, 02:38
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-without to be obliged to load it twice , perhaps it's possible to render the midi sequence in two time :
if the original sequence contain several note , you render the first note that must take a short time and you immediately play it before to render all the sequence. you will only have a small latency at the beginning.
perhaps the plug that don't permit it are vst1 or something like that so it is not a problem with usine or cubase i guessdoes a non realtime cubase bouncewould work? I guess the answer is no...
Statistics: Posted by pansoul — 02 Apr 2009, 02:24
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was wondering if you use usine to control vst in cubase, does a non realtime cubase bouncewould work? I guess the answer is no...
Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 02 Apr 2009, 02:04
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run the cloned patch at double bpm, record it and timestretch it back to the original bpm?
yes i have thing to this method or even to play a sequence 3 or 4 octave higher but the timestrech process to come back to the real note would probably be very destructive and some patch have enveloppe that don't react the same way on all octave so the result could be very different.If want to use any effect that modify time progress of a sound i prefer use audio file. you can modify the midi sequence but the result is not similar in the same way that to sample 1 midi note and to loop the beginnig 10 times will not give the same result that to play ten midi note... but it's only an other example, don't focalize on it. in many aspects midi and audio can't be manipulate in the same way.what limitations do you see?
no it is just what it can't doedit: re read your posts: you mean cubase is able to bounce/speed freeze while still playing?
yes i think you are right, but i think it can be programmable for instance use one core to playback and one other to render.not sure any soft sadly could render while playback
Statistics: Posted by pansoul — 02 Apr 2009, 01:50
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kind of magic to create something that don't exist yet, certainly has to do with Vst norms as you point, not sure any soft sadly could render while playback. I don't doubt there must be cool uses regading the applications, but i m also really wondering about what they could be.. any example? as amiga says if doesn't record the live tweakingz, why not have a premade rendered clone, or delay or amiga nice old 2x tape record simulation...
from what i understand that would mean one vst should run 2 audio process at the same time, 1 for boucing, one for playing,
seems impossible no?
edit: re read your posts: you mean cubase is able to bounce/speed freeze while still playing?
Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 02 Apr 2009, 01:27
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however, imho its a very special interest idea. nothing wrong with it, but I doubt it would be so useful after all.
Statistics: Posted by amiga909 — 02 Apr 2009, 00:58
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Sure it can't take 1ms to export even 5s of a small vsti but it can be fast i think. i dont know if there are special agreement between certain vst producer and steinberg to be able to do that or if it is in the vst norm (probably the 2nd case but i cant find where it is in the vst sdk doc)
Statistics: Posted by pansoul — 02 Apr 2009, 00:45
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the boring workaround would be to first export the whole vst seq..
if not needed to have the end there are few instant reverse vst plugins that buffer audio and instant reverse when pressing.
usine sampler can record live and a swich that would stop rec and reverse at the same time should make an instant reverse maybe.
but I think you want a bit more...
Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 02 Apr 2009, 00:21
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the instant mixdown function work for most of vst instrument but not with a sequencer running so i don't if it's possible. i know that it's probably complicated, if you have any suggestions...
Statistics: Posted by pansoul — 02 Apr 2009, 00:02
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do you know how it's work with other software ?
Statistics: Posted by pansoul — 01 Apr 2009, 02:27
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The best way to do that is to use the record (direct to disk) function and export the track into another track of the sequencer.
works fine and can do a good job.
Statistics: Posted by senso — 16 Mar 2009, 21:22
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thanks
vincent
Statistics: Posted by pansoul — 16 Mar 2009, 19:09
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