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I am looking into using BigTick Zen for this purpose. It now hosts any VST, and can run as a VST itself. It doesn't load 'chains' but it will allow you to create a bank of patches from different VSTs, so you can collect all your favorite snare drum patches from all your different VSTs and put them in one bank, and then select between them with a single program change command....
Thanks for the info!I gotta check out BigTick Zen now.
Statistics: Posted by bewithmot — 05 Apr 2011, 06:24
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The loadpatch module is another functional method to load entire FX chains within only one patch, but there is additional wait times and additional cpu load with this method as the entire patch needs to load.
Alternativly there is ways to reroute VSTs by using busses but this introduces latency in a multiprocessing environment.
A really user friendly approach would be if there were a way to have a simple UI interface in which specified plugins could be re-ordered as desired and the wiring could be completed automaticly. (in series and/or parallel), and the entire routing scheme could be stored as part of a preset.
Also incredibly usefull in this environment would be to swap any VST out for another as part of the preset save.
I have tried doing something similar by storing the state of Bidule VST (or Easine VST) in a preset manager and recalling it, however this solution is painfull because every VST loaded in VST host is reloaded when a Usine preset is loaded. (this is a good example of what I am getting at )
I think a clever solution for this "problem" would become a solid asset for Usine.
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 13 Mar 2011, 00:53
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I am looking into using BigTick Zen for this purpose. It now hosts any VST, and can run as a VST itself. It doesn't load 'chains' but it will allow you to create a bank of patches from different VSTs, so you can collect all your favorite snare drum patches from all your different VSTs and put them in one bank, and then select between them with a single program change command....
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Statistics: Posted by woodslanding — 12 Mar 2011, 21:38
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Yes, Usine is a good VST chainer on it's own.
But the idea is to be able to insert VSTs at a precise place inside of patches. Says I have a step sequencer beat box with 6 samplers. On each sampler the chain could be output->delay(Usine)->vst chainer->limiter(Usine)->pan. You could imagine a more complex patching, with sends pre/pos VST, gain pre/post VST, etc.
Then I would be able to add different Vsts on each sampler (snare, kick, hi-hat, etc.) and change order on the fly. Without having to modify the patch itself. It would be realy flexible.
I hope my idea is more precise
Guillaume
Statistics: Posted by gthibert — 12 Mar 2011, 19:24
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i'm mot sure to understand,
seems similar to the rack mode off the grid.The advantages would be to be able to add VSTs live, on the fly, change the order of the plugins and bypass them.
I believe all of this is already possible in usine, by patching or maybe IML.
Usine is already a vst host by it's own !I hope my idea is clear, and implementable. Maybe it's doable with the SDK : I've found an open source vst host in C++ that could be used as a startup.
[edit] oops, cross post with senso
Statistics: Posted by martignasse — 12 Mar 2011, 11:06
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- on the grid use the rack mode
Statistics: Posted by senso — 12 Mar 2011, 10:45
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It would be nice to have a Usine module that act as a VST chainer/rack.
It would allow to create FX bins, like in DAW and other audio softwares. The advantages would be to be able to add VSTs live, on the fly, change the order of the plugins and bypass them. And maybe save chains. These functions could be accessible by a little FX rack interface that could be placed in patches. I think four VST slots should be enough for most setups.
I've tryed some VST chainers like XLutop (http://www.xlutop.com/) and Acon Digital Media EffectChainer (http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2497.html) but there's problem with stability and parameters access. And the interfaces are simply too big to intergrate them in patches.
I hope my idea is clear, and implementable. Maybe it's doable with the SDK : I've found an open source vst host in C++ that could be used as a startup.
Statistics: Posted by gthibert — 12 Mar 2011, 05:21
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