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lalo

AFAIK Cabbage is mantained...Rory is workin' on it..

lalo

For Csound you can use Cabbage, for SuperCollider you can use OSC :) PureData is a bit tricky, last time I checked libpd was full of static variables and would need restricting to only one instance at a time. A Faust wrapper for the SDK would be cool :cool: Yeah you're right for Cabbage. With Super...

lalo

Hi all!

i'd like to have a new CsoundAPI module, and a SuperCollider module

, and what about a PureData module? and a Faust module?

a.

lalo

Hi all, Cabbage doesn't provide yet multi in out functionalities. But i guess Rory will try to implement this soon.
Given that pd and csound modules for Hollyhock would be a dream!
And a fausgen one? or a faustgen script exporting usine modules?

lalo

Hi guys!
i've installed an Hackintosh Mavericks partition on my HP Elitebook 8560w.
Does a Usine version for OSX 64 bit exist?
I only see OSX 32 bit version.

thanks and all the best!

a.

lalo

yeah! i guess in the meantime we can use csound on Hollyhock x86!

lalo

Hi all and caco,
any new plan on a csound6 module for Usine?
The last serial and leap motion makes my dreams wet

a.

lalo

...BTW VST export works great! ( woul be great to get the option to not visualize all the Easine engine controls then have a "clean" VST interface!

lalo

Some more point on CPU usage. I exportd a simple patch as a VST, using latest Easine 5.80.022 and loaded in Ableton Live 8. The main Live cpu meter shows around 11-12% of cpu usage. The exported Easine VST cpu meter shows 55% with peaks of 100%... the same thing happens if i load the same patch in U...

lalo

yes very curious.
the cpu is old Pentium Ghz.
but i have my "nb threads = 1" yet in place...

lalo

hi senso!
great updates recently.
but i must say that CPU usage is kind of doubled ( or even more ) in the last updates.
I'm on a very old computer, i know...but some updates ago everything was way lighter than now.
Just to point it out.

great work anyway!

a.

lalo

great!!!

lalo

cool!

lalo

hi caco! i'd really like to have more parameters ( a max of 64 ? ) and more input/outputs ( 16/16 ? )
thanks for your great work.
a.

lalo

Hi guys, i'm controlling the volume sliders and mute buttons of Usine with my TouchOSC patch. i've connected my OSCreceive modules to several Mixer Output objects. Everything works fine via OSC. But if i try to interact with the screen controls using my mouse i am able to switch on/off the mute butt...

lalo

hehe.. true...is a modular enviroment.
Usine can as a host with its own patches...and Ableton Live can with M4Live Patches...
i was planning of using Usine Exported VST and M4Live Patches inside Ableton...

lalo

yes...i'll give you an example VST that actually works i.e. in Bidule ;-) as soon as i came back from gigging around. for the Max4Live thing in the mean-time one can do the calculations inside the VST and let it come out as a 0-1 range audio signals and send it to Ableton via Max4Live...not super pr...

lalo

hi senso, thanks for the info. anyway in Synthedit there is a module made by Chris Kerry ( actually under my suggestion several years ago ), that does exactly this. Bidule i.e. can receive as a host Tempo infos. I'll make some pressure on Ableton Live ;-). In the case of ableton i think that is poss...

lalo

Hi guys, since i often deal with live impro looping it's essential for me to communicate BPM and ppq's and all the relevant Tempo related infos to the host of my choice. This way i can record on the fly something in my patch e communicate to the host the right tempo. Can it be done with exported VST...

lalo

so i disabled multicore support

lalo

hi julien,
i'm on a single core cpu
a.

lalo

i'm on a old single core dothan 2.0
but usine works flawlessly

a.

lalo

checked version 8.. window's bug solved.
still very hi on cpu and full of clicks.

a.

lalo

fast & not sluggish in Live 8.2.2 on my win7 64 bits (core i7) cannot wait for testing the export here!! (I'd like to know about the "first installation" process. Will it be necessary on each patch ? just to know. NI stuff installs A BUNCH of stuff and it is VERY ok!) maybe is optimized for multico...

lalo

hi senso!
tried the exported vst teasine...
seems quite heavy on cpu ( 90 % cpu peaks )
and the interface seems quite sluggish.
at least on reaper 4.0 rc4 on my windows7 machine ( pretty old but use to run perfectly usine as a standalone )

a.

lalo

Usine Pro VST has always been 2inx2out. But it was a multi 2x2 with side chaining capabilities. The main difference now is that Usine Pro is a single 2x2 and each Usine vst is totally independent. But now Easine is a fully 8x8 and probably 16 or 32 soon. great! VST version is a great thing for inte...

lalo

oh my god!
great!!!!!!!!
this brings Usine+Csound in the line of Ableton+Max4Live.
unbelievable ...it´s a dream that comes true
great caco!
really great!

a.

lalo

great nelson!
i agree with your suggestion!
a.

lalo

daaang!
i'm workin' with fabfliter twin 2 and i can't just access a loto of its parameters.
to me this is still an issue

lalo

ethnix73 wrote:Can't you use the OSC receive module with the module "mixer input" and "mixer output"?

yes...but in this way i have to do it for every patch loaded in the track slots....
i'd like to have a thing that is valid for every patch loaded in the track in every slot

lalo

no...
i mean just a field in wich insert the osc command that control the particular parameter

lalo

hi,
would be really confortable to have osc control on global interface control...
so i could use my ipod touch with touch osc to control the usine mixer with any patch loaded

thanx
lalo

lalo

hi guys and senso. wouldn't be great to have the Csound language integrated in Usine as a usine module? i guess can be a not so difficult task for a experienced developer to integrate the Csound API inside usine... ..i tried it in MaxMSP via the csound~ object...it works flawlessy some info for code...

lalo

Hi guys and hi senso! the recent usine improvements are simply marvellous!! i'd like to use the same custom konb and faders i use on my synthedit/syntmaker/maxmsp stuff... they are stiched png done with the great KnobMan software... is possible to use stiched images for knobs and faders in usine? th...

lalo

hi guys! i know ..i know....usine is not intended to work with linux... but anyway i did some tests on ubuntu studio with wine and wineasio installed (reaper and vst plugins work just fine on linux here!!!yeahh) usine loads only if you double click on the usine exe inside the files folder and not th...

lalo

hi senso,
i'd like to have a defualt value of (say) 0.45 or 52 or..instead of 0 and be able to get
that default value not only by ctrl+click but even with a midi or osc message
thanx
lalo

lalo

Hi senso an you all guys...

i'd like to have a custom default value for every gui object (sliders, knobs, switches etc...)
and the feature to get to that value via a midi learn controller

lalo

lalo

hi guys,
how can i reset the total bar number?
thanx
lalo

lalo

senso wrote:please lalo suggestions for this beta by mail!!!!

ok..thanx

lalo

cool! did some tests in bidule.... it seems workin'! a couple of suggestion... 1. make the "show usine" an automatable vst parameter so i can open usine with a button on my controller... 2. now i usin can only receive VSTTimeInfo...let it be a VSTTimeInfo sender too...so we can slave other vst (in m...

lalo

great!!!!

lalo

great beta...
noticed 2 little things...

when sampler is in reverse mode ..i hear clicks when i modulate start and end points...everything is smooth and good when in normal play mode

aux1 and aux2 as inputs in tracks are not saved in workspace...

thanx

lalo

hi guys! first : i'm really more and more impressed by the usine progress...it is my main live tool now. sometimes i am a little extreme with volumes settings...and sometimes some bad clipping occurs... would be nice to have a soft lilmiting algo....i guess the most efficient way would be to have it...

lalo

senso wrote:I think lalo needs interpolations between presets (a set of many value).

exactly

senso wrote:For the formula.
Too early.
I need a coffee.

yes

good morning

lalo

It's a good suggestion, but an hard job... hope you'll find the time to do it in the future :) yes, something like the XY panel, and move the cursor to make cross fades between presets. exactly..and on the XY panel creating different points rapresenting the presets.. would be nice to include or exc...

lalo

hi, just to bump it a little :) a randomizer window in wich you can choose the parameters in the patch you want to randomize (and in wich min max range of parameter value) would be nice to have it at the VST shell level without the need to connect sliders to all the (sometimes a lot) vst parameters....

lalo

lalo

Hi, using usine more and more...i really love it some idea for the sampler 1. sometimes when moving start and end point (if the playing speed is pretty low) i can hear bad crackling (sometimes i like that...sometimes not) so would be very good to have the option to avoid that i.e. an inlet in the sa...

lalo

hi, 1. sound card RME Multiface (i love it) 2. Controllers (Remote SL 61, Kenton Control Freak Studio with 16 faders and 16 buttons, Behringer FCB-1010, a wacom tablet, the computer keyboard) i try to follow the same rules as senso ;) but i usually have a "basic" complex setup for all the projects.....

lalo

senso wrote:
Isn?t it better (conceptually) to create a patch as an ?insert? to implement that?
I mean as an insert in the master section.

Good suggestion: option "key global / only on selected track"

thanx
and also "midi global/only on selected track"...for consistency

lalo

For you problem, the real question is: how often do you need those features? Don't forget that any 'hard implementation' has a cost in CPU, memory, etc. i understand..this is a really good point... ..but sometimes (quite often) having some hard (optional in the setup panel for example) implementati...

lalo

totally agree

lalo

lalo

thanx olivier

lalo

hi senso,
..humor..
riskin' carpal tunnel here ..hehe...while heavy patching is goin' on...
..no good for a piano player....even for a bass one i guess

multiple selections to copy/cut/paste/delete things would be very useful

thanx

lalo

hi,
i'm trying to do a switch wich stays on until a learned computer keyboard is pressed...and that goes off when the computer key is released...
some suggestion?
do we need a module?

thanx

lalo

hi senso,
thanx!
what i wonder about is that the patch works with a pair of faders but does not with a rang fader....

thanx

ps...a little language bug

"as" should be "has" i guess..

lalo

yes..could be...i'll try
thanx

lalo

hi,
another idea

a dispatcher that can send values at its enabled output channels..

the module could have the input for the signal..then 16 inlets to on/off its
16 outlets

thanx

lalo

thanx

lalo

thanx for the example senso :) but it doesn't work like i expected.... i mean it work with external midi learned controllers...but the range fader doesn't send any value if moved directly with the mouse... wich is what i'm trying to achieve ..as with other ui controllers...they work both mid-learned...

lalo

senso wrote:I'll try to make an example and post it in the add-ons.

hi senso, did you try some solution?..
the event scheme of usine is not so clear to me

lalo

hi senso, it's a good idea.. ..but it wouldn't work in case you have "cloned" patches on the same track.. ..wich is a common thing for me..when i work on dense textures with delays/samplers i find confortable to have everything in the same patch/track... the idea i proposed would reduce a lot the co...

lalo

hi senso, i try to explain 4 different delay patches i want to have physical control for delay time, feedback, and volume.. for a total of 12 midi/osc/ controllers what i'd like is to be able to keep the "1" key on the computer keyboard while moving a fader/knob assigned to i.e. delay time.. this wo...

lalo

hi,
would it be possible to have learn combinations for MIDI+MIDI and MIDI+key?
it would be useful when you have to control several copies of the same patch..i.e. 4 live loopers , 4 delays

great work senso on the 2.5

lalo

hi senso,
i'm a musician to...so i understand you so good

i think it is good for usine to survive and go ahead...
if it needs to go commercial...just keep it at a good budget..and don't let marketing decision to tailor the software...like with music

lalo

if you'll find a solution for vst crossfade i'll be happy

(i was able to convince bidule coders

)
thanx for the last great update man

lalo

hi,
often during the liveset i have to mute or bypass an effect or in general an audio process...always a click came out...wich is a bit annoying for the aural
fascination of the performance

..how about infinitesimal fade in/out option to avoid this?

thanx

lalo

hi, the current range fader is a bit unconfortable..if you link 2 faders to the range fader to automate start and end of the range via midi..you'll not be able to move the range fader on the usine patch itself... at present time range fader can't be directly "midi-learned"..would be nice if it could...

lalo

thanx for the new 2.3 senso

lalo

me to like to know....and how to save .fxb?
thanx

lalo

yes...but does it work with audio signal inputs too?

lalo

Hi,
would be nice to have selectors and multiplexers...

to select multiple sources to 1 output
or multiple outputs from 1 source

lalo

Inlets : off course! For the lock function, isn't it equiivalent to move start and stop at the same time, in same proportions? yes :) but would be very confortable to do it with only one controller.. i.e press a button : engage lock while keeping the button down move a fader to "scan" the wave.... ;)

lalo

yes

with loop point inlets and outlets so it can be automated via MIDI/OSC
..another idea would be a "lock function" so you can lock the loop lenght and scan the wave moving one loop point only

...manual time-stretch

lalo

great additions senso

..i just did 3 days of reharsals using usine

..wave display..wow...
would be nice to have a selection on the wave display itself to set loop points too

lalo

the strange fact is that all the tracks show the same level ( I send and distribute 0dB to all the channels) but, even if the hardware levels are all shown the same ( Rme mixer), the software output of Usine shows a boost of approx 5 dB. I don't want to be hostinate in thinking it is a problem caus...

lalo

good idea man,
i'll try it

lalo

Hi guys! ..so i'm tryin' to do a patch that have a sampler inside... the sampler would be triggered by a computer keyboard key.. but the sampler would start looping only at a precise time..(i.e at bar start or at a quarter or 8th..).. first problem i encountered is that when sampler is in loop mode ...

lalo

Hi,
at present time they are only midi-learn-able

lalo

cool

lalo

Hi olivier, we already have the "mix" object wich we can use to deal with tracks' parameters... i'd really like to have a "main out" object... i'm trying to control the main out with a midi pedal... but i'd like to limit its min and max limits..an to invert the 0..127 scale... my damn pedal sends in...

lalo

senso wrote:be careful,
the remote file has changed and is not compatible... Sorry but I was obliged...
I'have tested it for 3 concerts.
Normally stable.

everything went fine

1.018 mission 1 succesful

lalo

woahh!!

i gonna try it on the tomorrow's gig

..if it will crash...well...time for a drums/bass solo ..lol

thanx senso!!!

lalo

Hi guys!

it was melodica + live electronics (me)
tenor sax and Bb clarinet + live electronics
contrabass
drums

original compositons by the band, some composer's that we like tunes and some free impro

not a single crash

i'd only wish to have min and max values for global remote stuff....

lalo

Hi guys!

i did my first "usine based" live gig yesterday...

got only a single crash..but it was during sound-check

...got a lot of fun...some great music...some less good ...
as always...very good audience response

lalo

senso wrote:The next version of Usine will come soon with a lot of improvements in the midiplayer: record/save recorded file/ more synchro accurate, etc.

oh yeah

lalo

there's no hurry

good ideas need time

thanx

lalo

great...some randomness sometimes is a good inspiration

i c(age)hing

lalo

hi olivier, well...my plug has 258 parameters :) and the 2 i need are the last ones... i on't have a way in synthmaker to manage the order... i'll try to investigate the issue and i'll be back to you in a few days... anyway...why the parameters affect the cpu even if they aren't modulated at all? th...

lalo

Hi guys,

imagine to have saved different presets in some patch..

would be nice to have a window with some points rapresenting each preset...and movin' the mouse between preset would result in interpolating throu presets

thanx

lalo

hi guys, would be nice to have a general randomizer that works on the patch level... kind of... you open a list that shows all the parameters present in a patch (VST plugins included) and then you select wich parameters you wnat to be randomized...with seed options..range options etc..for every para...

lalo

ok olivier,

i'll do tonight when i'll back home...
now i'm here in a 30 minutes break at the school where i teach

thanx

lalo

Hi,

i have a plugin made in synthmakers wich contain an array of 256 points to do hand-draw waveforms...
in usine i see 200 parameters..
other host show only the parameters i've excplicitely told synthmaker to show

thanx

lalo

i'll examine it

lalo

..do you think is difficult to add an inlet to sampler exaclty li the "show list" wich is available in the sampler itself in patch mode?

thanx

lalo

hi i'm playing with the sampler right now... the new overdub mode is great :) anyway i'd like to have to different overdub modes... right now if your recorded time exceed that of the previously recorded material the loop lenght is updated to the longest recording... this is a kind of overdub/append ...

lalo

senso wrote:It's the main purpose of usine: have basic modules and create personal routings.

message received

lalo

thanx

..
sorry if i am so stoopeed

lalo

hi,

i'm not able to configure my inputs as mono or stereo...
i.e.

i'd like to have input 1, 2, 3 and 4 as separate mono inputs..
and 5/6 and 7/8 as stereo pairs...

doesn't seems to be possible now..
or have i miss something?

thanx

lalo

1) You can do that by create a "listbox" module, and enter the sample names by hand and affect the output of the listbox to the "num" input of the sampler. I think It's not so hard? (I do it often) yes..it's not hard...but i mean to do it live.. i don't know before how many samples i'll record... s...

lalo

cool

lalo

thanx....
how can you remember by memory all your controllers' assigments ? ..lol

lalo

the template idea is very good

..i'll investigate your workarounds...i'm still a newbie

thanx

lalo

Bypass on VST affect the audio and Midi events process. All the parameters modifications stay active. On some very huge VST (reaktor, etc) you can see the difference. I'm working on a new audio engine that seems to be 30% faster. I plain to post the new release in 1 or 2 weeks (time to debug in rea...

lalo

..so i got it

6 aux busses?

as my mackie mixer?

lalo

hehe...i know....
my daily piano practice has significantly decreased in the last 10 years

...to much electronics

i think i'm already a motherfucka junky

lalo

hi,

seems that when you bypass a vst it doesn't disable it..so it still uses the cpu...

generally seems to me that usine uses quite a lot of cpu..

lalo

hi,
would be very nice to have more aux busses..like 6

lalo

hi,

when i have more than 9/10 tracks i'd really like to have an horizontal scrollbar....

arrow keys are not so confortable and sometime there's some visual confusion during livesets

lalo

Hi guys,

i didn't not well understand the aux tracks...
how to create explicitly one?

at present i select the "aux" input for a track that i want to work as an aux...is it the way it is supposed to work?

lalo

hi,

is it yet possible?..i didn't found the way to do it...

so

1. name the tracks
2. show appropriate track names in the input selection box of every track

lalo

hi guys, 1. a "show samples list" inlet to turn visible the sampler list in the mixer view (now you can only see it in the patch view) 2. finer pitch resolution (cents?) 3. monitor on/off switch for input signal 4. be able to stop the loop after recording 5. be able to play the loop after stopped 6....

lalo

hi paul :) basically saxophone player and bass player have their own set of stomp pedal boxes fx and multieffect pedal-boards... they use obviously other devices as cheap microphones and other sounding "toys"... i use mostly usine with my own vsts made in synthmaker and synthedit e some made with ma...

lalo

Hi got a lot of fun..and we did some good impro stuff

sax+electronix, laptop+keyboards, bass+electronix, drums...

i relised some ideas around possible usine improvments

..
and found some buggette...tomorow i'll do a complete report...now it's time to relax

lalo

cool

lalo

..mhh...lemme think about it ...

lalo

lalo

thanx senso...

yes...i guess...it's just to put in some basic stuff so
the patch can be more simpler to deal with..if you have "service" functionalities inside the relevant modules

lalo

lalo

yep..it's easy with modules...but if you have to do it for 10 parameters the patch can become messy

lalo

lalo

Hi, would be nice to have a quantize parameter in the "remote" window for every parameter... so the message it's only sent to its destination at the next quantization point ... imagine you are on measure 1 3 1 1 and you want to start playing a sampled loop on the next bar (2 1 1 1) if you chose quan...

lalo

..when the vst can be 89 screen high

lalo

lalo

Hi, would be very nice to set the values you want the list box send top tehir outputs ... i.e. in the list edit to allow a syntax like this... A=0 B=0.25 C=0.5 D=0.75 E=1.0 or A=12 B=18 C=87.45 etc.. this can spare subsequent math mapping after the (now only integer) list boxer and can unclutter pat...

lalo

yay

lalo

i'd like to donate too :) usine is damn great man :) the improviser's dream i've donated :) ...go ahead guys....it's the coolest performing software around....it's....a musical instrument.... ...i have a pretty long experience.... pure data...max/msp...csound.... ..but in the performing realm this ...

lalo

i'd like to donate too

usine is damn great man

the improviser's dream

lalo

yeah

lalo

exactly

lalo

good

lalo

yes..keep it light

sometimes is useful when doing surgical live loop editing....
eeeeeeddddddiiiiiiitttttiiiiingggg

lalo

lalo

senso wrote:For multiple key learn I propose a text field where could

agree....and a way to support special keys like

"shift"R

or "ctrl"b

i propose to put special keys in quotes do distinguish from normal key combs

lalo

lalo

Good suggestion. For multiple key learn I propose a text field where could you enter a word like ?R1? ?R2?. It seems to be very simple. In fact the intern structure of Usine can already handle this function. For multiple Midi, it?s harder but not impossible. I?m gone work on It. great!!! it is a dr...

lalo

senso wrote:Be patient.

i am

..you're doin' a really great work man

lalo

lalo

Hi senso!

in the movie section only the first movie is visible...
other links doesn't works

lalo

lalo

Hi! i think this is an interesting one :) learn key combinations or midi message combinations... this could be useful when you deal with complex patches... imagine to have 8 samplers and you want to record enable a certain one... press R+1 on keyboard and the first sampler start recording press S+1 ...

lalo

Hi,

a midi sampler with optional quantize with all the features of the audio sampler...

maybe 2 versions...

single track and multitrack

lalo

lalo

Hi,

would be nice to have a waveform display for the sampler with handles to modify start and end points of the loop

lalo

lalo

hi!

would be nice if when you save random or save name a recording in the sampler the file is added to the sampler file list automatically.

lalo

lalo

Hi senso!

another suggestion...

an overdub mode for the sampler using the recording time of the first recording.

and an overdub append/subtract...overdub but with the time bounds following the last recording time.

lalo

lalo

Hi senso! lemme do again compliments for this great soft... an heaven for the improviser ;) i was doin' my first steps in usine... and startin' suggesting some :) when you have a list or you have to control a VST instrument switch i.e. for change wavefrom for an osc.. would be useful to have a List ...

lalo

great great great...congrats!!!

goin' to donate soon...and do suggestions and feature requests

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