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percuson

Hi there! After a long time I am back to Usine. My last version of Usine was Usine 5. and wow, it has evolved... In Usine 5 there was a module called "current line number". In HH4 I found an inlet "patch number" in the "Load Patch" module. But I didn't find anything that will give me the number of t...

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Actually I am working on a looper with undo/redo function. It saves the every new layer as a combined file to the harddisk and recalls the previous file when doing an undo. It seems to work pretty well. But I wanted to erase the files when resetting the sampler/looper since it just litters up the ha...

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Hi alltogether!

I am using the sampler & recorder module to record and save files on my harddisk. This works fine in the background.
But is there also a way to delete the saved files without prompting?

Thanks!

percuson

Yabbadabbadooooooo!!!

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... no problem...
Right now, my idea is to build a Markov chain Midi generator.
I also have to select items out of a ommatext. So I can use it also for myself...

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Hi fléau!

I skipped some other things to finish it fast...

Skript: Select Commatext by Array

I hope, you'll be lucky with it!
And also that it really works...

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Hi!
I don't have such a script, but I didn't have enaough time to finish it...
S if you could wait for a couple of hours, I'll finish it, when I'm back home tonight!

percuson

I think I should have these ( 'commatext to array' and an 'array to commatext') in my archive....
But what do you want the script to do exactly? Give me an example of the inputs and outputs, please!

percuson

Hi la tenaille! Sure the console is in sync. And also the Midi Clock patch tries to. There is no delay inside usine. The problem is how the patch calculates the tempo. Belonging to the midi clock specification it will be difficult to do that without a delay. But maybe I have an idea to make that fas...

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midi start is a function in möbius. create a button, or link it to a midi footswitch. you can also set Tracks Setup -> Synchronization -> Out Sync Manual Start. But for this working, you need to modify the receive midi clock patch (it starts playing, if it receives a midi clock signal - you have to ...

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Hi la tenaille! I was using midi clock detect to figure out if Möbius really sends the midi clock. And also used midi clock to see, if Usine gets the right tempo. I used to hav the problem, that Usine didn't get the right tempo from the receive Midi Clock Patch ( ! it doesn't work as a sub patch!) T...

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Hi xpir!
Maybe I found an easier solution for you:
GLoop is a very simple user and does only serve the essentials (also undo redo -> called clear and recall)
download here:
http://www.gvst.co.uk/beta.htm

percuson

And it is still the beginng of 2013!

percuson

... without notenames, but verry cool!

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Hi xpir! I didn't find the time yet to send you a basic workspace... I also have to reset möbius to get rid of everything not needed. And some question to make it easier for me: How many inputs do you have? Möbius as master, or as slave? And do you work with prerecorded samples? Because you are play...

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Hi waoleid! Be sure, that it to took a long time to build the Usine OSC... I had a few classes in electroacustics at universitiy and learned the basics of audio processing on computers. And before that I had years of trying out Daws. For the Usine OSC I had the idea how to calculate waveforms in Usi...

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Hi waoleid! Great, I hope you don't give up.... The step sequencer is maybe the most practical thing to display the values. It is also a kind of array. And you can also think of an array as a collection of faders. I made another demo, using both, StepMidi and Array module to demonstrate how an array...

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You don't need a Microphone to produce the clicks on loop junction. Just use athe Usine sample player and record it. When making overdubs, you get clicks....

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@ Joffo: I'll check it out... seems to be a nice one!

@xpir: I got your E-Mail. I'll try to send you something tonight.

And you are right, we should open a new thread...

... I live very close to UT Connewitz

percuson

Hi woaleid, you can imagine an array as something like a value storage... I'll try to explain: Imagine you have 8 boxes standing in front of you, named from 0 to seven (this is your array) Now you put some things into the boxes, in box 0 -> 4 items, box 1 -> 10 items, box 2 -> 0 items if you take bo...

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@la tenaille Making a script for mobius should be no problem.. The main problem is to decide, how to trigger the script. Scripts are only called once in Möbius, you should call it every time, the feedback should change (e.g. the footswitch for record should also be triggered to the script). For blin...

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Yes, visual feedback is also I wanted to do (but in Usine, so I could save space in my workspace). Using OSC you have a noticeable delay, so everything would be possible beside restart or cycle count, etc. That's why I also wanted to check out the midi possibilities. Should be no problem to do... Wh...

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Do you mmean the single/dual edit plugin window in Möbius? In earlier verions of Usine I had to use the dual edit window. Now it seems to be stable also with single edit window (Möbius), and standalone window (Usine). Also show in IB seems to work. But the interface is still to big for having all on...

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Maybe you should give Möbius a chance. Once set up correctly, it is no problem to use it. The only problem is, that you have tons of possibilities. If you only need rec/play/ovberdub it should be easy. If you agree, I could share all the needed files to get into it easier. If you live in Leipzig or ...

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Hi xpir! Before using Möbius as plugin I was using Möbius as standlone. And there are no clicks except latency issues. For me it is the most powerful software looper, but not really intuitive to use. Like Usine it takes some time, to get into it. And maybe you will have problems with sync within usi...

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Hi! No I have an older Athlon 64 3000+ with only 1 Gig RAM (1 Core) And didnt't try it on my Laptop yet. (Also an older model). But I also get clicks. And also on loop junction. It seems that it happens, when you are oberdubbing over the loop junction. But I don't think, that it is a problem of weak...

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I've made a longer test to check it out: - first I set the plaback to "one shot" and recorded the output with another sampler module (which means end pos = 100%) I loaded both, the original and the recorded file into Samplitude, to compare them. The only difference between the two wave forms was a d...

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Hi trik! Does it really stop before it reaches the end, or is it only the display that doesn't count until the end? The graphics in usine aren't calculated as fast as audio (for better performance). So maybe it's only the display that doesn't count until the end... Relating your other question: As f...

percuson

Hi,
when I was trying to run fléaus patch, the dec2bin.usr module was missing
download it here and install to your library:

decimal 2 binary

and a quick test showed, that it seems to be a great work!
Very nice idea with the dec 2 bin module for storing the scales!

percuson

I made the easter egg more perfect! I thought, it could also be useful for arrays... You don't need the listbox anymore and now you can choose the output type: - midi - integer - x.x - x.xx .... download edit: I fixed the last problems with midi and made the script more lightweight... Try it out! Ca...

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Hi noise2sine and soundmind!

It's a pretty good idea to use the matrix module! I was missing that also a lot of times.
I wrote a script, that calculates all note names on every change. So there should be no wrong captions anymore!

download

Happy Easter!

percuson

I hope it really works. I didn't have enough time to fully test it....

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Hi xpir! I modified my looper to prevent clicks. I couldn't check out, if the attack times and release times are ok. But you can modify them in rec/overdub gain ctrl sub-patches. It seems, that there is no need to set an attack time but if you need it also for the record, you can easily add it. It's...

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I tried all actual loopers (exept Joffos Noundo) and wasn't really satisfied with one of them. Especially live looping of real instruments is really difficult. Before using Usine I was working with Möbius, which is really a great Looper, but Usine syncronisation is quite difficult because it only su...

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I would suggest a search function and maybe tags for the addons.
So you could easily find what fits your needs.

percuson

Hi xpir!
Yes, I have the same problems. It's dcaused by the sampler module. The zero cross doesn't work that well for sustained sounds (I use vibraphone and percussion). When I have time, I'll insert an automatic fade out to prevent this. Maybe also a small fade in will be necessary....

percuson

Did you try double clicking on the console?
If you do so, a popup opens which allows scrolling the values...

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I don't know, which scripts you use. The only one I found in the Usine library is "string to integer". When testing it was all o.k. My version of commatext to Array does'nt work with letters. So it's normal if there is no output, if it is the same script. About Array to comma, I don't know. I don't ...

percuson

Hi there!
I did a smaller version of a Möbius workspace a few months ago und I upgraded it to 8 ins:
Maybe this was what you were searching for...

Mobius 8 in.wkp

percuson

... it works on my machine... set one loop as master with the button in the upper left and record the master loop. Then (in the slave loop you wanna have synced with the master loop) you have to activate 'rec sync' . On the right of the 'rec sync' button there is the combo-box with the red button. F...

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I updated my looper and removed the bad behaviour when playing reverse

MultiTrackLooper

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@ 23fx23: could you update it in the add-ons section? So nobody else will have the same problem...

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Yes, thats not easy to understand. It's adapted from Möbius. For the master Looper it has no effect. For the slaves it sets the time - when record affects (rec sync). On cycle, beat, etc... - and when play options affect (play sync) So you don't have to be that exact to get the same loop lenth for a...

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If there is such a great demand for loopers I wanna share my idea of a looper in Usine. It is stlll beta and also has no undo (yet). It's a simple looper with a few sync options and octave and reverse. You can use as many loopers you want and set one of them as the master. Make some beta tests if yo...

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cool!

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... et aussi pour les germanophones

I made a version for loading a patch:

download LoadPatch

The main problem when loading a patch this way is, that the inlets and outlets must have the correct names.
Try out with the "Dummy-Patch" inside the ZIP-file.

percuson

thanks 23fx23 for the hint that I can also exclude whole patches from beeing stored in the preset. I totally forgot that there is an option for doing that at the top of the patch window :-). I think your patch should work now. I cannot check this out, because I couldn't get the errors happen on my c...

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Hi Scott! With the callback procedure you are right. The part of the script inside a callback procedure is only called once, if the corresponding input parameter has changed. But the demo script is working with the process procedure. So this is not the case. When calculated with the Process Procedur...

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when working with IML it's really necessary to disable fast callback. I had usine crashes when making the vst loader until I enabled it. This could have been the cause for mixing up between tracks. When enabled, Usine produces strange things. I found this hint on the IML wiki site nearly at the top....

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After spending the whole night in building a 'hardwired' version, I think I found 2 mistakes in 23fx23s script... Try it out please: download I set "SetFastCallBack - false" for all inputs and I set the "setdontsave" command for the text inputs. I'm annoyed that I didn't take a closer look at the sc...

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I figuered out, that it is a simple script problem: The script is saved in the preset and it is recalled at older preset values, so the names switch to recent values. I'll try to build a simple demo to show the effect. But this doesn't explain the mixup between the patches. Maybe this is called by c...

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I'm already trying to hard wire. I did it with a poly sub patch and it uses a lot cpu... when trying to also store the names, I had about 15%

But I have a totally different idea....

@Seamus: Did you check already, if only the names get confused, or if also the settings of faders, etc... mix up?

percuson

There shouldn't be any restriction on the hardware side. More cores are simply faster. And the more tracks you have, the more cpu is needed. So you get limited... Do you really need that much presets? And isn't there a patching variant of presets without scripts? Increasing the level for higher nb v...

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... try the LOAD_PATCH command. Assigning wires should be the sames as with vst. The Problem will be, that there will be more different output names. If you modify all the patches in- and out-names, a "patch-load and wire" patch should work almost the same way.

percuson

I don't know for shure.... I'm still learning the basics of IML.
I don't know how to call the sub patch, but I think this is also possible....

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So I hope, all is fixed.... The main problem was the line SendInternalMsg('SET_TARGET_PATCH','SENDER_PATCH'); it wasn't executed, when a VST was deleted. And I tried to get a silent load (the old version always loaded unwanted VST, when creating the patch) J'espère que le patch fonctionne bien à la ...

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Hi Joffo,
mon francais est trop mal pour comprendre...
If I understand right, you have problems when having the patch more than once.
Which ones? I tried with a few of "load vst" and only found a strange behaviour, when deleting...
But this was no problem to fix.... I'll upload later

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That's what I thought. But I can't really believe that it is multicore problem. Did you try to set nb threads to 1? (Global setup ->system&cpu) But I don't really know, if Usine really uses one core, if you set it to one. My last idea would be to give each script a distinct name. e.g. N_PM_1, N_PM_2...

percuson

Bonjour Joffo!

Ton question était trop intéressante pour moi..... et après heures d'essayer...
Voila le patch:

download VST Loader

percuson

Hi Scott! let me explain: the "for i:=..." calculates all within one bloc. (it jumpes back an calculates until the highest value of i - all within a bloc) if you take "i := i + " the script calculates only the +1. Nothing else, because there is no jumping back in the script, like if you use "for". I...

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yes, really strange... I thought about it while drinking some wine and made some scripts to test it out.... Im not a coder, but if the names switch between the patches Usine mixes up the names when calculating. Maybe you use multicore processors and since the presets have the same names in the patch...

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Hi seamus! I tried to reproduce your problem, but i couldn't get the presets switching. I opened your workspace went to the conductor and clicked the different snaps for about 10 minutes.... Nothing changed... If I understand it right, I suddenly should have preset "test 1a" in the patch "recall by ...

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Hi ahonoe! It's like 23fx23 wrote... Your script is to fast. It has finished its work before the next bloc is calculated. It is working, but it is simply to fast.... That's why you only see it with the itrace. Here is an example how to work with "+1" There is also shown, how you could change the cou...

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I'm not a script guru, but I succeeded!

Here it is: http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... cks.script

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You're right, Max is much easier than PD, but PD is free and they have much in common. I never tried Reaktor...
As I can see, you already have some experience with patching, so it should be no problem to go ahead within Usine.
Have fun!

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Hi secretkillerofnames, what I did to learn patching, was to install Pd-extended and check out the tutorial patches in doc/ 3.audio.examples. I tried to rebuild some interesting ones in Usine. There is also a tutorial for Pure Data on link: Programming Electronic Music in Pd Pure Data is much more c...

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Hey Noise2Sine, maybe I've finished working on it.... ;-) Here it is! download Sync Midi Delay Please check out, if it works correctly and give me feedback. And anyone else is also invited to do that. I included a Midi gate (like a gate for audio) and "block time", which eliminates doubled notes if ...

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It really depends what you want to do with uisine... The must haves for me are PatcherKit and Synthesis pack v2.0 (both in 50 latest add-ons) They always can be useful. The synthesis pack, since usine doesn't offer an oscillator and the patcher kit with all the little helpers. Study them to see eleg...

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Hi Noise2sine,
I did much progress last night with the midi delay. It works pretty well now. There's only one thing I wanna fix before posting it. You'll have to wait maybe another few days since I have less time this week.
Have a nice day, too!

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Hey, thats just fun and maybe I can use it myself... You're not right when saying there is no other plugin like that. Do you know the piz midi plugins? The original site is down at the moment, but you can download here. http://code.google.com/p/pizmidi/downloads/list -> you have to choose one of the...

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Hi noise2sine! I tried a lot now. It's really a problem of Midi limitation. I also tried the PizMidi delay (is a VST) and it deals with the same problems. If you have 2 similar tones playing at the same time ba bit delayed, there is now way to figure out, which Note Off belongs to which note. I thin...

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Hi noise2sine, you don't do anything wrong. I couldn't get the effect of fading. I only recognized shorter notes. And this can only be a poroblem inside the two scripts. I also get shorter notes with only one note in the piano roll and the midi delay module. There seems to be a conflict, handling th...

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no problem ...
sometimes it's easier then it seems to be

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Hi there, after making the patch for noise2sine I decided to extend the original "Midi delay + feedback + pitch" patch from the Usine library with some quantize options: 2 beats beat 2/3 beats (hemiola) 1/8th 1/12th (triplet) 1/16th 1/20th (quintuplet) 1/24th (sixtuplet) 1/28th (seventuplet) 1/32th ...

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Hi nois2sine, if I understand right, your main problem is to do a quantization on the midi delay script. I made a patch using the clock beat patch, which also allows to do triplets. You can choose between ms and quantize. Triplets are included in the clock beat patch as default (values 1/12th for tr...

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No problem... :-) I was not really clear... When I tried out with a joystick When pluggin in, Usine told me, that the joystick is ID 1 and my mouse ID 0 But it didn't work. The correct ID for the joystickwas 0. I connected a fader to the HID module (like in Nays example, but without the increment an...

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strange behavior.....
the viewed ID changes.
assign a fader to the HID and move the fader.
the console shows the new IDs. Duble click on the Console to see all. Maybe you should test ID 11...

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Did you try the other IDs?

percuson

... don't unplug when trying...
detect the right ID automatically should be quite complicated.
The most important question is, if you can see incoming data in the array if you set to the right ID....

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... again faster

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first of all, you have to see the data changes in the array module ( like in Nays screenshot on the left side val 0-4) If you don't see datas changing there, when moving a fader etc, there is no data coming in. My mouse also doesn't work, but my joystick... It seems that not every HID works... If yo...

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ba aware... maybe you get usine addicted

have fun when trying out !

percuson

nay was a bit faster

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for finding the HID Module: open the "browser" in usine Go to modules -> Interface control -> HID device drag and drop in an empty patch click on the red outlet of the HID module and choose display or set array thats it.... for finding the number of the device, goto Global Setup and activate "debug ...

percuson

Ok, that's the answer I expected

But I was hoping a bit that there is a posibility to access the recorded file via IML and set it to zero by a script...
I have to think about your suggestion. I haven't thought about this yet.
Thanks anyway

percuson

Is there a way to overwrite a recorded sample with zeros on the fly? In detail: I record some seconds of music with the sampler. Is it possible to set this file to zero sound, so that I can record on parts of it in overdub-mode and the rest of the sample is empty? Let's say I have a sample with a le...

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Hi Joffo, You have to use the "pause" in loop mode to stop at restart... I had to try out, if it really works, so you can have a look at how I did it. I don't know, how you really wan't it to work... Is it that way? It automatically stops at the end. But you can't loop the last region this way. The ...

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sorry I wasn't that clear.... I'm talking about the "incrément marker fader" in your sub-patch of your V2. when checking this, I tried it out and found a problem when triggering marker 1... It took a while to find out why. I had to add a "zero position" to the array and a bit of other stuff... Diffi...

percuson

what about replacing your normal fader with the counter simple with max sub-patch and set the looper to loop-mode?

percuson

Bonjour Joffo! J’ en suis désolée, que mon francais est trop mal pour écrire des lettres. Cela fait longtemps. Je commence en anglais... I found out that the sampler module doesn't respond to the position request of the wave display... I reported this to senso. A solution of this could be, not to us...

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Thanks Joffo and Senso, I was searching for that a few weeks ago, but forgot why....
Maybe I'll find out again

percuson

Hi Oli! Nice that you used my idea! I just did another solution with the xy pad since it also records data. I think this version is not that good for using with an external contraption but anyway it's also a nice solution. It's more intuitive to use and needs less cpu. If you touch the red ball it r...

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Hi Oli I tried to do a patch for your solution 1. But I don' know, if I totally understood, what you are searching for. Where is the difference between recording it at changing speed and playback it at changing speed? That's why I chose the way to simply manipulate the recording afterwards. Maybe it...

percuson

I uploaded a new version.
It's a bit cleaned up and simplified.
Have fun!
Download here: pitch shift delay

percuson

thanks a lot :) ! Check it out. I tried to make it the most simple way... It should be no problem to get how it works. It took some time to find out which ramp type is needed (down for tronsposing up and up for transposing down) and how to calculate the pitch. Have a look at control sub-patch to see...

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On the web I found a video how to build a pitch shifter in Max/MSP pitch shifting in Max I tried to rebuild this in usine... http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/uploads.php?file=pitch%20shift%20delay.jpg download: pitch shift delay I also added a feedback, which results in strange sound effects. The te...

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Thank you!
So I have to think about doing an upgrade

percuson

senso wrote:For registered users after 1st September 2012, Hollyhock update is free

I purchased my Usine pro on 2012-09-28. How do I get the update?
It seems to be a real big improvement.
Congratulations!!

percuson

I also uploaded my first patch :-) http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/uploads.php?file=usine%20osc.jpg It's another oscillator made 100% in Usine. I did it because I had some trouble using the ones from the Synthesis pack and also with the array to wavform oscillator (it produces noisy sound, when wav...

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@ gdlive: this is why I seperated A + R . It works pretty well. Maybe it would be nice to have a second instance. One to eliminate clicks and a second to put an ASR on the slice. Maybe it would work a bit more effective. For the 1st instance, I think the granulator is best...

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@ gdllive: Am I understanding right? You are thinking about the space between the slices that occur if you press the /2 button a few times? I think there are 2 options. 1st (what joffo did): play the slice to the end and leave silence between, or 2nd: play the origional sample until the next slice i...

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@ joffo: I tested it for a while an its really great work!! @gdlive: I tested your version too and also your subpatch :) you made a good working approach! When testing it out, I found that it would be better to seperate attack and release, since I recognized more crackles on the end of each slice. I...

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Problems fixed...
Don't know how, but it seems to work.
Did a driver update for my fast track pro and it works...

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I'm trying to run Möbius as VST in Usine. I want Möbius as Master and I'm running "Midi Clock detect" to get the clock. As kaspar wrote, they arent in sync at tempos higher than 60 bpm. It seems that Usine doesn't detect all pulses. I also tested Möbius with Ableton live and it seems to be fine. Any...

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