How can I use Usine?
Huh...
I just started that. Only five or six hours of hight concentration.
I'm not sure here is the right place for that post. Anyway...
I would like to have a master board that can drive everything.
"everything" means "everything", aka any kind of VST or VSTI, all scenes configuration along the performance, receave MIDI from MIDI KB, MIDI controler AND computer keyborad. All mixes on the fly, start and stop aditional audio tracks (not samples); well, let's make short...
OK.
As I think that Usine must do that, I explore it.
And my first question is simple:
Does Usine works with computer keyborad MIDI note on note off (A=60, 2=61, Z=62 [AZERTY!], etc...) and is it possible to affect this to a channel #?
Because I use Reaktor like that and the stuff I have build there is exactly what I need. I just cannot stop now with this.
Reaktor was that master board that could drive NOT everything, and putting it into Usine solve my problem.
Second question:
What about Rewire? Because my "everything" include great stuff like GigaStudio (very very important, oh yes) and other things like Reason.
If those questions can be solved easily in Usine, I just adopt it right now. Right now.
Again, sorry for my english!
And thanks if somebody can give me some light!
Vincent.
How can I use Usine?
Yes I think that Usine can be the center of your musical setup, in live situation.
Personnally, I made a 'computer keyboard to midi notes' module witch creates note ON when pressed and note OFF when released.
I'll post it in the addons, but you can try to make it yourself.
The rewire licence is not easy to obtain, and complex to implement in a software. When I need a to comunicate withe other softs, I make my personnal rewire with the internal routing of my RME card.
I'm not a Rewire specialist, but I think that Asio4all driver can communicate use this protocol. Take a look.
of course Usine can handle computer keyboard keys, with 'interface control/keyboard' modules.Does Usine works with computer keyborad MIDI note on note off (A=60, 2=61, Z=62 [AZERTY!], etc...)
Personnally, I made a 'computer keyboard to midi notes' module witch creates note ON when pressed and note OFF when released.
I'll post it in the addons, but you can try to make it yourself.
Actually, Usine is not Rewire compatible.What about Rewire? Because my "everything" include great stuff like GigaStudio (very very important, oh yes) and other things like Reason.
The rewire licence is not easy to obtain, and complex to implement in a software. When I need a to comunicate withe other softs, I make my personnal rewire with the internal routing of my RME card.
I'm not a Rewire specialist, but I think that Asio4all driver can communicate use this protocol. Take a look.
Olivier Sens
www.brainmodular.com
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Asio4All can help out with making the audio interface accessible by more than one program. The way I use it, I accesses the audio outputs of my M-Audio Ozonic from Usine through the M-Audio driver, and from Reason through Asio4All. If you want to send MIDI from Usine to eg Reason, you'll need a MIDI connection as well. The program I'm using works OK without any hiccups that I've noticed, and it's newer and more XP-friendly than for instance MidiYoke, but I'm at work now and can't really remember what it's called... Have to check when I get home.
Bjørn S
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Vincent
Hello Olivier.
Well, I'm not a premium member yet, so I'll have to wait for the great Add-Ons you've made. Seems realy great.
But, as you say, I can try to make it myself. Makes me learn.
Not decided yet. I must be sure about what I can do with Usine. Maybe everything, maybe not. My needs seem to be a little strange for people I talk with.
In fact I just intempt to turn my computer in an ? Homme-Orchestre ?, using a three-splitted MIDI keybord to play, and AZERTY manly to select snapshots or run automation.
The purpose is to make an instrument that allows both live perf, transparent impros and composer's tool. Only that...
So I have to check what I can do that with Usine to complete what I've already done in NI Reaktor.
And see Asio4all. Thanks for this.
I mean, thanks for all what you do!
BSORK!
Thanks for your post!
Yes indeed, that program your'e using to send MIDI from Usine to anything that can receive it makes me wake up!
Please, could you tell me it's name when you get home back?
Or maybe give me some links that talk about that kind of program?
Take care!
Well, I'm not a premium member yet, so I'll have to wait for the great Add-Ons you've made. Seems realy great.
But, as you say, I can try to make it myself. Makes me learn.
Not decided yet. I must be sure about what I can do with Usine. Maybe everything, maybe not. My needs seem to be a little strange for people I talk with.
In fact I just intempt to turn my computer in an ? Homme-Orchestre ?, using a three-splitted MIDI keybord to play, and AZERTY manly to select snapshots or run automation.
The purpose is to make an instrument that allows both live perf, transparent impros and composer's tool. Only that...
So I have to check what I can do that with Usine to complete what I've already done in NI Reaktor.
And see Asio4all. Thanks for this.
I mean, thanks for all what you do!
BSORK!
Thanks for your post!
Yes indeed, that program your'e using to send MIDI from Usine to anything that can receive it makes me wake up!
Please, could you tell me it's name when you get home back?
Or maybe give me some links that talk about that kind of program?
Take care!
Hello Vincent - good to be of help. I forgot to check the program the day I posted my reply, but I actually remembered yesterday...
It's called Maple MIDI and you can find it at http://www.hurchalla.com. It appears that you can also get some extra MIDI tools there that cooperate with the "virtual MIDI cable", that you might find interesting. I haven't tried them, so I can't tell how they work.
The way you describe what you're after, I'm pretty sure Usine could be useful for you. You can make both simple and quite complicated setups for very different ways of using the program.
It's called Maple MIDI and you can find it at http://www.hurchalla.com. It appears that you can also get some extra MIDI tools there that cooperate with the "virtual MIDI cable", that you might find interesting. I haven't tried them, so I can't tell how they work.
The way you describe what you're after, I'm pretty sure Usine could be useful for you. You can make both simple and quite complicated setups for very different ways of using the program.
Bjørn S
hello,
I think that Usine is more efficient in Live context than as "compositoinnal tool".
The main advantage of Usine is that you can create the interface you want to manage you sounds. You are note obliged to open a huge VST panel with 200 controls: if you only use 2 controls, just put them in the Usine interface panel and forget the VST...
Also, if you want to create, unusual effects I think that Usine is very powerfull and has no equivalent. For example, trigg a reverb only if the sound is louder than a threhold value; set connect VST parameters to random generators, envelop followers, etc.
I'm working on a "piano roll" Midi editor to turn Usine into a more conventional Midi player/editor.
BSORK
Thanks your driver post. I'll try it soon!
I think that Usine is more efficient in Live context than as "compositoinnal tool".
The main advantage of Usine is that you can create the interface you want to manage you sounds. You are note obliged to open a huge VST panel with 200 controls: if you only use 2 controls, just put them in the Usine interface panel and forget the VST...
Also, if you want to create, unusual effects I think that Usine is very powerfull and has no equivalent. For example, trigg a reverb only if the sound is louder than a threhold value; set connect VST parameters to random generators, envelop followers, etc.
I'm working on a "piano roll" Midi editor to turn Usine into a more conventional Midi player/editor.
BSORK
Thanks your driver post. I'll try it soon!
Olivier Sens
www.brainmodular.com
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That's great news!senso wrote:I'm working on a "piano roll" Midi editor to turn Usine into a more conventional Midi player/editor.
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Vincent
Hello Olivier.
Great thanks for your help. I know, I feel that Usine is truly something great and unusual.
But as a NI-Reaktor user, I have relly big difficulties to anderstand Usine's concepts.
Seems very un-practical to me: select and drag more than one object is not possible (except all of them!)(and what makes them apear so heavy to move?), not straight cables makes me extremly confused, pressing Shift-Del too, too much things in background window(channel# could be seen only in top-right corner!) and not dark enough. You see, small things that makes me feel realy frustated. Just because I know, realy, that your soft IS very, very good.
Some softs are at the top (talking about real quality, not business, OK?) or want to be there. You make that stuff. Arturia (http://www.arturia.com/fr/arturia.php) makes that stuff. They're french and based near Grenoble. Did you talk with them about your soft?
I've tryed the 'interface control/keyboard' module. Great! Even an 'interface control/mouse' module! ? REN-VER-SANT! ?
I've managed to produce sounds! But not to stop them, ouch!
It must be possible to use the 'pressed' and 'release' signals, but how? Logical or Maths don't work. I must check in the PDF file.
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Hello Bsork!
Maple MIDI Tools is right now on my computer. Great help! I'll give you news about what's happening with that.
It seems that Sensomusic will provide all the solutions I need!
Great thanks for your help. I know, I feel that Usine is truly something great and unusual.
But as a NI-Reaktor user, I have relly big difficulties to anderstand Usine's concepts.
Seems very un-practical to me: select and drag more than one object is not possible (except all of them!)(and what makes them apear so heavy to move?), not straight cables makes me extremly confused, pressing Shift-Del too, too much things in background window(channel# could be seen only in top-right corner!) and not dark enough. You see, small things that makes me feel realy frustated. Just because I know, realy, that your soft IS very, very good.
Some softs are at the top (talking about real quality, not business, OK?) or want to be there. You make that stuff. Arturia (http://www.arturia.com/fr/arturia.php) makes that stuff. They're french and based near Grenoble. Did you talk with them about your soft?
I've tryed the 'interface control/keyboard' module. Great! Even an 'interface control/mouse' module! ? REN-VER-SANT! ?
I've managed to produce sounds! But not to stop them, ouch!
It must be possible to use the 'pressed' and 'release' signals, but how? Logical or Maths don't work. I must check in the PDF file.
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Hello Bsork!
Maple MIDI Tools is right now on my computer. Great help! I'll give you news about what's happening with that.
It seems that Sensomusic will provide all the solutions I need!
I imagine than Usine can be complex! It has a lot of possibilities. The main problem is that you are obliged to be very clear on what you want before start the patch construction (my personnal experience with "newbies"):But as a NI-Reaktor user, I have relly big difficulties to anderstand Usine's concepts.
-"I want a sampler witch only records the sound when I press this key and change the pitch when the incoming sound is louder than ..., etc".
Yes I know that I have to implement the multi-select in patches.select and drag more than one object is not possible
If you have suggestions feel free to post them. I allways do my best to improve the soft!
They are very good. (especially the sound!). I'm not in toutch with them.Some softs are at the top [www.arturia.com]
You are right, I should look after external contacts, but I feel so small... compare to the masters (NI, Abeleton, etc...)
I will post a "computer keyboard to Midi" patch in add ons.
The next version will have a new design, and a lot of new modules. A major update, still in beta test.
Be patient, will arrive next week!
Olivier Sens
www.brainmodular.com
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Vincent
You're a friend, Olivier.
Yes the soud of Arturia is sooo goood. Even the basic sine of the MoogModular V makes me trhill! Is it possible? And their sound designers... Specialy J.-M. Blanchet. Subtile, strong, groovy, huh well, not here, please...
They're rather small (and young). Good, powerfull, but small.
Do'nt compare them (neither yourself) to NI. They know what beauty and perfection means. Some softs are built to be sold. Some other... music!
You should absolutly meet them. And, if I can say that, I feel some emergency, do'nt you?
I know what means feeling so small...
But are you kindding? Did you ever have a glance to all what you've made? Do you realize that we feel so small compared to you?
I know what I'm talking about: I've implemented a Writer-Tools in Microsoft Word using VBA (I'm novelist too). Your stuff is just kolossallll. I'm wondering if you go to sleep sometimes...
My prob is not such a detail that I can ask such precise things. I'm still looking for a global solution and fighting with details to see if my global solution is a valid one... Sorry. I wont disturb you with that.
I know you do your best, so I first have to do my best on my side with the existing thing, right?
Well. I go to work now. News soon.
Yes the soud of Arturia is sooo goood. Even the basic sine of the MoogModular V makes me trhill! Is it possible? And their sound designers... Specialy J.-M. Blanchet. Subtile, strong, groovy, huh well, not here, please...
They're rather small (and young). Good, powerfull, but small.
Do'nt compare them (neither yourself) to NI. They know what beauty and perfection means. Some softs are built to be sold. Some other... music!
You should absolutly meet them. And, if I can say that, I feel some emergency, do'nt you?
I know what means feeling so small...
But are you kindding? Did you ever have a glance to all what you've made? Do you realize that we feel so small compared to you?
I know what I'm talking about: I've implemented a Writer-Tools in Microsoft Word using VBA (I'm novelist too). Your stuff is just kolossallll. I'm wondering if you go to sleep sometimes...
Sure. I anderstand.The main problem is that you are obliged to be very clear on what you want
My prob is not such a detail that I can ask such precise things. I'm still looking for a global solution and fighting with details to see if my global solution is a valid one... Sorry. I wont disturb you with that.
I will.If you have suggestions feel free to post them.
I know you do your best, so I first have to do my best on my side with the existing thing, right?
Well. I go to work now. News soon.
Hello,
the main problem is that I want to stay musician... not to switch into a software team manager and move to the Silicon Valley.
It's a vicious circle:
I'm alone --> so I'm small --> so I can't pay for someone to help me --> so I'm alone --> etc.
But in fact I'm very happy because I'm FREE!!!!
the main problem is that I want to stay musician... not to switch into a software team manager and move to the Silicon Valley.
It's a vicious circle:
I'm alone --> so I'm small --> so I can't pay for someone to help me --> so I'm alone --> etc.
But in fact I'm very happy because I'm FREE!!!!
Olivier Sens
www.brainmodular.com
www.brainmodular.com
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Vincent
Hi Olivier.
So we're not going out of the initial subject of that topic, right?
Anayway, I think that it would'nt be troubleful for your freedom to get in touch with Arturia. I event think that it would be some kind of release for you.
Well, I'm sad to say that: Bsork gave me a very simple and very efficient solution with Maple MIDI. This is exactly what I needed, but I did'nt know it was existing. (ouf, my english...)
With that, tiny soft, I can do exactly the things I wanted. All my virtual synth are MIDI connected to a central stuff. All my MIDI controllers too. That central stuff drives everything without any need to build ant hard patche with any hard soft (!).
Usine is Great, truly. But the huge pb is that I have to learn it. Thousands of hours not doing music, you anderstand whats it means for the psych?. Have a look to Reaktor, indeed, just to check how some big can project shaddow on your fantastic job.
My music is quite different from yours. More pop (or romantic, maybe), much more simple for certains aspects, and much more complicated for certains others. I did my own stuff with Reaktor to do almost the same you do with Usine. But Usine is done for that, not exactly Reaktor. But, but... I've met Reaktor first and learned it first...
Life seems sometimes stupid.
Also, I know that the tools determine the work.
That means that my music can change if I change my tool!
This is a good thing and I keep it in mind: I love changing tools from time to time (but only from time to time).
That gives me time to learn Usine (and post you suggestions) without stopping my music production. Two different projects.
Take care, Olivier.
That's an excellent reason tu use Usine!But in fact I'm very happy because I'm FREE!!!!
So we're not going out of the initial subject of that topic, right?
Anayway, I think that it would'nt be troubleful for your freedom to get in touch with Arturia. I event think that it would be some kind of release for you.
Well, I'm sad to say that: Bsork gave me a very simple and very efficient solution with Maple MIDI. This is exactly what I needed, but I did'nt know it was existing. (ouf, my english...)
With that, tiny soft, I can do exactly the things I wanted. All my virtual synth are MIDI connected to a central stuff. All my MIDI controllers too. That central stuff drives everything without any need to build ant hard patche with any hard soft (!).
Usine is Great, truly. But the huge pb is that I have to learn it. Thousands of hours not doing music, you anderstand whats it means for the psych?. Have a look to Reaktor, indeed, just to check how some big can project shaddow on your fantastic job.
My music is quite different from yours. More pop (or romantic, maybe), much more simple for certains aspects, and much more complicated for certains others. I did my own stuff with Reaktor to do almost the same you do with Usine. But Usine is done for that, not exactly Reaktor. But, but... I've met Reaktor first and learned it first...
Life seems sometimes stupid.
Also, I know that the tools determine the work.
That means that my music can change if I change my tool!
This is a good thing and I keep it in mind: I love changing tools from time to time (but only from time to time).
That gives me time to learn Usine (and post you suggestions) without stopping my music production. Two different projects.
Take care, Olivier.
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Vincent
Hello Bsork!
Unfortunatly, Maple MIDI is exactly what I was looking for. This is absolutly my solution.
So, well, I feel sad because I wo'nt need to use Usine any more for now. I'll take time to learn it slowly and see how it can change my production.
Anyway, I'm trying to keep in touch with Olivier, he's a great man and I make the difference between him and Usine.
Thanks again, Bsork, for your help that saved me.
Regards.
Unfortunatly, Maple MIDI is exactly what I was looking for. This is absolutly my solution.
So, well, I feel sad because I wo'nt need to use Usine any more for now. I'll take time to learn it slowly and see how it can change my production.
Anyway, I'm trying to keep in touch with Olivier, he's a great man and I make the difference between him and Usine.
Thanks again, Bsork, for your help that saved me.
Regards.
Hello Vincent, nice to be of help and that you've found a way to solve your problems for now. I understand very well that you hesitate to learn yet another complex tool instead of using you're time and the tools you already know to create music. But if you change your mind - and maybe in the mood for or need of some new inspiration - may I suggest you give some of the demo patches in Usine another try without worrying too much about how the patches are created and other technicalities?
Bjørn S
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