vst version of Hollyhock?

grainular · Unread post by **grainular** » 21 Jul 2013, 03:15

Are there any plans to make vst/vsti version of Hollyhock?

YouTube · Unread post by **senso** » 29 Jul 2013, 16:47

yes it's planed.

joffo78 · Unread post by **joffo78** » 29 Jul 2013, 19:26

For Mac and pc ? Very exciting news

Juanjo · Unread post by **Juanjo** » 01 Nov 2013, 10:45

Is there any aproximate timeframe for implementing the vst version? It's the only thing I still miss from 5.X... otherwise I'm really loving Hollycock guys, kudos on a unique and well thought out piece of software

YouTube · Unread post by **senso** » 01 Nov 2013, 12:16

the date is not fixed yet.
sorry

Juanjo · Unread post by **Juanjo** » 12 Mar 2014, 10:04

Any news on the vst version now after 1.1? Can't wait...

ceasless · Unread post by **ceasless** » 12 Mar 2014, 11:44

It's hard to say which I hope to see sooner: the long awaited video modules or the long awaited VST version...

All things considered, I think I'd rather see video first. Then ReWire, then VST. Oh and iOS and Android...

That's a lot of features in the pipeline...

Juanjo · Unread post by **Juanjo** » 12 Mar 2014, 12:20

Well, to each his own I suppose... personally I don't need video, rewire or mobile versions at all, but the VST version is crucial to my workflow... I've played around with Hollyhock but I actually haven't used it in a project yet because of that, and I'm starting to look into other subhosts tbh. That's why I'm asking...

ceasless · Unread post by **ceasless** » 12 Mar 2014, 12:50

Yes of course to each their own. Just thought I would share my feelings as welll. Like I said its a tough call. I think I'll switch my desired priorities to have VST first, so that we don't lose you

It would be nice to have a more open dialog about the Usine roadmap in general. The chat feature for instance may have seemed like a cool feature when they were developing it but I log in automatically and have only seen people there 2 or 3 times. Maybe this was not a feature that users actually needed..

With the subhost style, as a promised feature it definitely influenced my decision to buy Hollyhock. However I've never gotten to use it so my workflow is not missing anything. But that's only because I don't know yet what I am missing.

Juanjo · Unread post by **Juanjo** » 12 Mar 2014, 13:09

ceasless wrote:...It would be nice to have a more open dialog about the Usine roadmap in general...

I agree, perhaps not so much WHAT features to develop (after all it's Senso's vision), but in terms of priorities maybe a user poll now and then might be worth looking into...

No need to switch your preferences btw, I'll be happy for you when you get video and rewire, and down the road some sort of dedicated Android control app could be really useful to me as well... I just NEED vst first

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 12 Mar 2014, 20:55

What i can tell you is that that we have a huge todo list for next months , and Rewire will be more in priority than VST version

Thomas Helzle · Unread post by **Thomas Helzle** » 13 Mar 2014, 23:37

+1 for the VST version

- 1 for the chat window

- 1 for any mobile apps, I'm happy with TouchDAW, would be even more happy with Lemur I guess...
- 1 for Rewire from me as well - I never use it.

Yeah, and a + 10 for user polls

Cheers,

Tom

ceasless · Unread post by **ceasless** » 14 Mar 2014, 09:39

+1000 for senso's vision

About the chat, as I said I login automatically each time. It's not that I don't like the feature, at first it seemed to promise a place to ask questions, etc. Usine can be tough sometimes.

But since no one else is ever there... Anyway, if you have a question about scripting or patching, give the chat a try, I might be there. Sometimes Usine can feel a little lonely. Especially when you hit a wall and can't find an answer.

Re: VST vs ReWire... Is this an issue of your main host not supporting ReWire? Because honestly I can't see a use case for a VST version that isn't mostly addressed by ReWire. The idea is to have Usine writing output directly into the lanes of your sequencer right? So why isn't ReWire a reasonable option until the (I'm sure) difficult work of the VST is finished? Or am I missing something?

Apps are going to be awesome because I want to patch all the time, everywhere

Fléau · Unread post by **Fléau** » 14 Mar 2014, 11:24

Neither TouchDAW or touchOSC have combobox,
at worst Lemur can have a 32 listbutton, and that isnt enough to control vst presets.
Tablet could makes every usb midi controller wifi-able.

Juanjo · Unread post by **Juanjo** » 17 Mar 2014, 13:34

ceasless wrote:...Re: VST vs ReWire... Is this an issue of your main host not supporting ReWire? Because honestly I can't see a use case for a VST version that isn't mostly addressed by ReWire. The idea is to have Usine writing output directly into the lanes of your sequencer right? So why isn't ReWire a reasonable option until the (I'm sure) difficult work of the VST is finished? Or am I missing something?...

For me, off the top of my head:
- Way deeper (you can do more stuff) and wider (you can do it in more hosts) integration
- Multiple instances
- Recursivity
- Event and modulation data exchange via VST parameters
- Patches saved/loaded automatically with the host project
- PDC I believe
...

VST might as well be more difficult to implement than Rewire and that might be a factor when prioritising, but for a fully modular host like Usine, VST feels like a natural step forward (and it was already implemented in 5.X) and Rewire feels like a weird step back... ymmv.

joffo78 · Unread post by **joffo78** » 17 Mar 2014, 15:11

Personally i never used any rewire system because it need
To have 2 software in the same time (bad integration)
But i m enjoy enough with v5 version for exporting vstplugins

ceasless · Unread post by **ceasless** » 17 Mar 2014, 17:14

Good points juanjo. Can't really argue with any of that. I've never used ReWire but I was imagining using as a way to quickly get loops and ideas recorded out of my instruments in Usine and into a DAW. Saving to disk does basically the same, but it breaks the workflow a bit.

I think your point about VST being more complex than ReWire could explain why we are seeing ReWire first. There's been a lot of work going on under the surface of Hollyhock and I expect Senso has been getting things ready for these kinds of software to software integrations like VST and ReWire. Maybe the best way to VST basically gets us ReWire for free, and sooner than VST on its own.

NaN · Unread post by **NaN** » 15 Jul 2014, 03:07

The good news is that the 5.x VST version is still working (on Windows).
The even better news is what senso wrote above - that a VST Hollyhock version is on the roadmap.
Great!

waolelaid · Unread post by **waolelaid** » 16 Jul 2014, 19:25

Hi @Nay you tell i this post "

What i can tell you is that that we have a huge todo list for next months , and Rewire will be more in priority than VST version

my question is what Is "Rewire" the vst version doesn't interest me as i still understand nothing in usine both two versions
since 7 years i'm not able to build anything in usine i don't understand the explanations of the modules when i read example

"Voice Dispatcher

Dispatch Midi events to the appropriate polyphonic voice in a sub patch.

Used to create polyphonic synthesizers. See Polyphonic sub-Patches to learn more about the subject.

In a polyphonic sub-patch, the first NOTE_ON event is affected to the first voice, the second to the second voice and so on. When the maximum polyphony is reached, it restart the process from the first voice.

In other words, the oldest voice is canceled (a NOTE_OFF is sent to the output).

Settings

in

Midi input to dispatch.
out

Dispatched Midi output events
pass

Sends a 1 value when a Midi event is sent to the output.
note ON

Sends a 1 value when a NOTE_ON Midi event is sent to the output.
note OFF

Sends a 1 value when a NOTE_OFF Midi event is sent to the output.
code1 (pitch)

Pitch of the current note ON

See also"

if i follow the see also i fall on another thing as hermetic as this explanation
when will there be some examples on how to wire the principals functions of the modules ???
i wait for this since 7 years
i've never made electronic music and i really don't know anything of how it works
i don't know anybody who can help me to understand ( i don't speak of Usine especially )
but the only thing i can do is to assemble samples in a daw that's all ! i don't know MIDI
i don't understand what are CC# and all these things

Another thing will there be a version which does'nt change every month with a new GUI
for me the adaptability is not easy now
Sorry if its not the right place but i wanted to tell what i think and as i was in this post i did it
wish you a good evening and night too
Best

noise2sine · Unread post by **noise2sine** » 17 Jul 2014, 12:37

@waolelaid : Why don't you play tennis instead ?

waolelaid · Unread post by **waolelaid** » 17 Jul 2014, 13:52

Hi because i'm 62 and it miss me one eye and because i no longer can run
and why "tennis" there are others things to do i don't like sport i prefer
long walk in the forest
and as the sun is shinning i going to do one
and i want to Thank you for your open-mindedness
Cheers

noise2sine · Unread post by **noise2sine** » 17 Jul 2014, 15:08

Hello waolelaid,

Beyond the joke,if i can give you an advice :is to keep the things simple.For my part i'm still using Usine v5, and it works fine according to my simple needs.As an average musician and composer,i realised that the tool can't replace the worker.I have tried many "complex configuration" but for better emotions and result, i returned to the simpliest form.As soon as you have found your simpliest configuration(i mean, the one you can master,even if it's just a sampler and it can be enough (or maybe two samplers

),your flow of inspiration will come and will be easy to capture.I do understand that many people are crazy about patching and it's fine only if you have the level for that or if you are really ok for struggling for that.

I hope you had a great time walking.

sephult · Unread post by **sephult** » 19 Jul 2014, 18:28

Any details regarding Rewire support? I am actually quite interested in supporting a rewire to transfer audio between Sonar X3 and Reason vice-versa. Any possible Beta testing available? Starting to get interested in Audio sharing as well similar to Audinates Dante VIA expected end of 2014. Would love to help support any new features and provide feedback.

magickz · Unread post by **magickz** » 28 Jul 2014, 06:24

Hello Sephult, if you want to transfer audio from an external audio software into usine, it might work with VSTFORX and the VSTFORX Remote Channel Sender plugin. I just tested it successfully with another daw and a standalone synthesizer which can load plugins. It is quite easy to use and available for a very affordable price. I didn't test though to transfer it also into the other direction from Usine to the external software. But I guess it should work the same.

FarfadetFarfelu · Unread post by **FarfadetFarfelu** » 20 Apr 2015, 17:05

Hello,
Is VST version still on the map for Hollyhock II ?
Thanks.

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 20 Apr 2015, 18:10

it takes time but better make it solid and when time is come HH2 is still very fresh, senso probably prefer fix and verify important stuff first, no doubts it will come, im also so awaiting

that's the only little thing to truely convert all my friends to usine. sadly no one wants to give a shot if outside usual daw, worklow is a bit affected.

imo when usine will be re-avaible as a vst/i and remote avaible for ios/android devices it will instant blast out anything avaible on earth, and for a decade

.

Unread post by **oli_lab** » 20 Apr 2015, 18:35

reaplugs reatream can move audio and midi from one vst host to another

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 20 Apr 2015, 19:06

nice didn't know!, gonna give a shot, thx oli!. iwould be personnally ok with that workaround,
but many ppl prefere handle one single project ina single main daw, with saving / reloading a projectmeans all vst are ok in one shot,
also i guess most 'oustside' solutions are more suspect to extra latency buffers for audio/midi flows, extra cpu and less precision vsttime info/ midi clock, roundings jitter ect.

lgbtten · Unread post by **lgbtten** » 21 Apr 2015, 09:50

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symplx · Unread post by **symplx** » 27 Apr 2015, 04:03

How would you do this? Export patch as VST? I've never used ReWire, VSTs seem more universal.

Vas · Unread post by **Vas** » 30 Jan 2016, 22:20

It is January 30, 2016 and my main question is when might Usine Holyyhock be offered a VST. It will then be an instant buy for me.

How does one become a Platinum Member so I can get the free Uisine Hollyhock V1.1 which can be a VST. Or what is the most economical way to get the free Uisine Hollyhock V1.1. I mostly will like to use the multitouch midi controllers. (addons? Modules?)

I would be even happier if the addons or modules were available as VST/VSTi's to use in any DAW.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 30 Jan 2016, 22:49

To become a platinium member, you need a pro or non pro license, this way you can download the old versions freely ( Usine 5 provide a VST version, but not Usine Hollyhock 1)

Vas · Unread post by **Vas** » 31 Jan 2016, 00:10

Thanks for the very prompt response. I have a 23” multitouch screen which will be very useful with Usine.

Will all the current modules and addons be compatible with Usine 5?
Is Usine 5 compatible with Windows 10, 64 bit?
Will Usine 5 work as a VSTi in FL Studio 12, Studio One v3 and Reaper? MY interest in multitouch is in the performance of music not so much the editing and mixing.

If so it may be worth purchasing Usine Hollyhock 2 now and hope that eventually other DAW’s will be able host Usine Hollyhock as a VSTi.

jean-marc duchenne · Unread post by **jean-marc duchenne** » 31 Jan 2016, 08:38

Hi,
I use some VST versions of Easine (Usine 5 in a single patch) in Reaper.
There seems to be no problem with Windows 10 and the VST has the benefit of multitouch.

Vas · Unread post by **Vas** » 01 Feb 2016, 01:42

jean-marc duchenne wrote:Hi,
I use some VST versions of Easine (Usine 5 in a single patch) in Reaper.
There seems to be no problem with Windows 10 and the VST has the benefit of multitouch.

Hello jean-marc duchenne,

Thanks for your input.

It seems to me that Easine is the modular part of Usine which can be used independently of Usine. http://www.sensomusic.com/wiki/doku.php ... st_version . Or is it that Easine can have one addon? In my case I am primary interested using the multi-touch midi controller addons so a midi input and output is essential.

The Version 5 addons and the Hollyhock addons are not compatible. Too bad! http://www.sensomusic.org/addons.php (Use the drop down menu to select the version)

So for the detailed questions. I am very new to Usine so very likely I have this all wrong.

Edti: On second thought I would like to use all the available compatible addons.

Thomas Helzle · Unread post by **Thomas Helzle** » 05 Feb 2016, 14:13

Easine is one of the versions of the old Usine 5.x, which is pre-Hollyhock (where they started counting from 0 again).
There was Usine Pro, Easine, Usine Stage before and I think a free version too. It was all rather confusing and I never really understood what the idea behind all those versions was. Easine had the most output channels if I remember correctly.

Addons are not compatible between that old line of versions and the new one - AFAIK the old versions were coded in Delphi (correct me if I'm wrong) and now everything is C++, so it's a pretty much total re-write as far as I understand.

A VST verson of Hollyhock would be stil very welcome. My main Host is Bitwig Studio and it does not support ReWire, so that would be useless for me personally.

Cheers,

Tom

damstraversaz · Unread post by **damstraversaz** » 05 Feb 2016, 14:41

Easine was ( and is always, it dependsof your needs) very useful for small installations , or low ressources computers.It was useful too for exporting VST, as you don't in most case use all the features off the full usine version. I admit I really like to see in a near future a vst version of usine. For live Usine is my main host, but for other works I'm using a more standart sequencer like most users, and I often miss some great usine patchs ( especially for midi works for exemple)

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 05 Feb 2016, 21:43

Huge +1 for bringing back a VST version

Juanjo · Unread post by **Juanjo** » 05 Apr 2016, 12:21

Another huge +1 here.
For this reason I haven't renewed my membership in quite a while and at this point I've basically abandoned/replaced Usine, but I still come here from time to time and specifically search for news on the VST front. I have no realistic expectations anymore but there's always that bit of irrational faith lurking...

Unread post by **oli_lab** » 05 Apr 2016, 22:24

I wouldn't mix audio and video on the same computer.

Shintylla · Unread post by **Shintylla** » 20 Apr 2016, 07:40

Hi guys,
about rewire:
rewire is a useful feature if anybody(like myself) uses another daw to record and you need to record your GIGANTIC Usine's patch.
+1 on rewire
I personally fell the lackof ergonomics in editing patches. A full screen editor and a undo that works better would be +2
A question, in which language or languages is usine written?

Shintylla · Unread post by **Shintylla** » 20 Apr 2016, 10:22

Reading your posts and to my perspective Usine as VST would be almost impossible without a release of a different version or a huge rewriting of the code. With reWire you can achieve both usage with just a virtual cable. Patch exporting in VST sounds nice, but would be hard without a GUI for the plugin to command its parameters, or just a MIX knob. Coding, however, would be heavy and I won't bet on stability of these exported patches..

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 20 Apr 2016, 15:46

it worked so nice with 5.80 and easine.., seems mac port/crossplatform made things more complex now but im adding a huge +1000 as well
now with sdk added to make custom usine powered vsti plugins that would be so powerfull and spreadable..

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