Any 'Echoloop' Users?
I had it configured within Usine over through 4 audio outputs within about 30 minsLooooper running nicely inside. Gives me the flexability I need to improve and create, while I design my own things.
Thanks for sharing this. I'm still pretty new to the world of looping, so I can use all the help I can get.
BTW, still checking the add-ons for those crazy robot patches and RC51
BTW, still checking the add-ons for those crazy robot patches and RC51
Me too Sir. I'm already good at it though. But as for the scripting.... I think I need to slow down man. By the way.... are you seeing any of this.... I assume not.
Thanks you also for replying to my post. It was highly interesting to me that the developer is the author of the original software.. It kinda looked a little dated and off putting to me But after giving it the benefit of the doubt I was pleasantly surprised.
And i will jump back on the Polybots soon. Must try and integrate them with leap motion skeletal tracking. Still waiting for call from computer shop. Grrr.
I've started another looper from scratch patch which I'm going to stay at a steady pace with. Must understand this stuff fully.
And i will jump back on the Polybots soon. Must try and integrate them with leap motion skeletal tracking. Still waiting for call from computer shop. Grrr.
I've started another looper from scratch patch which I'm going to stay at a steady pace with. Must understand this stuff fully.
I did not see that. I will check my chat notification settings. i connect to be around just in case anyone shows up, and now it turns out i'm ignoring anyone who does? no bueno.
It's a good idea not to get too lost in a single instrument with Usine, but also to back out and explore the more 'live toolbox' environment that Usine provides. It helps re-contextualize the internal patching logic when you are adding a step sequencer for a specific parameter modulation as opposed to locking in another wild feature on this or that instrument.
Not a balance I'm sure I've achieved, to be honest. I think you are on a good path.
The immediacy of sequencing in Push/Ableton defaults me to music making in Ableton and tinkering in Usine. Can't forget the music. But I've been using it to charge up my batteries to get this Patch Pusher (or maybe I will call it Pushicus Prime? if I can find a good polybot layout for it..) thing rolling. In my dreams I have a 64 pad surface to map to a triggers for a variety of patches such as a loop chopper/sampler, drum sequencer, or isomorphic keyboard. You can dive into the interfaces of for these patches, clone them to another pad for a different approach, set to loop, one-shot, or aftertouch, use some automapping magic to have all the params on the VST you're wiring to Pearls (Sequins + Push) appear magically on the display, record automations, ....
But I've got lots of other things I'm doing, and plenty more I should be doing.. One day though, "it will be mine... oh yes..."
It's a good idea not to get too lost in a single instrument with Usine, but also to back out and explore the more 'live toolbox' environment that Usine provides. It helps re-contextualize the internal patching logic when you are adding a step sequencer for a specific parameter modulation as opposed to locking in another wild feature on this or that instrument.
Not a balance I'm sure I've achieved, to be honest. I think you are on a good path.
The immediacy of sequencing in Push/Ableton defaults me to music making in Ableton and tinkering in Usine. Can't forget the music. But I've been using it to charge up my batteries to get this Patch Pusher (or maybe I will call it Pushicus Prime? if I can find a good polybot layout for it..) thing rolling. In my dreams I have a 64 pad surface to map to a triggers for a variety of patches such as a loop chopper/sampler, drum sequencer, or isomorphic keyboard. You can dive into the interfaces of for these patches, clone them to another pad for a different approach, set to loop, one-shot, or aftertouch, use some automapping magic to have all the params on the VST you're wiring to Pearls (Sequins + Push) appear magically on the display, record automations, ....
But I've got lots of other things I'm doing, and plenty more I should be doing.. One day though, "it will be mine... oh yes..."
That was the 2nd time I'd seen ya on the chat. But you left pretty sharpish so thought it was natural. .Hehe, I was actually thinking about PolyBot actually. Might give him a wee tickle too.
Cheers man. Yep the balance thing is tough. But you're bang on about the music. Patch Pushicus Prime it has to be! Haha, in your dreams. A genuine chuckle-out-loud there. A 'COL'
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I'm sure it will be yours. Your Sequins shows you picked up some incredibly nifty tips during your Usiniage. I quite like the little Push light shows floating about youtube, and checked them out yesterday pondering investing. But not at £400+. So can you explain this 'immediacy of sequencing'. You mean like cut/copy/etc lightning-speed familiarity of your midi data, or the arranging, or?
Cheers man. Yep the balance thing is tough. But you're bang on about the music. Patch Pushicus Prime it has to be! Haha, in your dreams. A genuine chuckle-out-loud there. A 'COL'
. I'm sure it will be yours. Your Sequins shows you picked up some incredibly nifty tips during your Usiniage. I quite like the little Push light shows floating about youtube, and checked them out yesterday pondering investing. But not at £400+. So can you explain this 'immediacy of sequencing'. You mean like cut/copy/etc lightning-speed familiarity of your midi data, or the arranging, or?
Thanks for the kind words. Patchicus Prime aka Primus Push.. it will be mine indeed.
I hope Sequins proves useful to others. I need to make some videos/tutorials about how to use it.
And I was never able to get it working with the Preset Manager. I gave it a go (again) the other day and just got frustrated. Too many other cool things I could create. But whenever senso releases the next version, I should be able to make a revised version of Sequins that is more geared to external MIDI instruments (whereas I originally started it to have a step sequencer for Battery).
With regards to the Push workflow.. I start by laying out some drums that I find interesting. This is done in an interface that not only has 16 visible drum pads (you can use the modulation strip to move to other sets of pads) but has a 32 step sequencer. The other 16 pads allow you to select the current loop length (out of a total of 16 bars).
Having it all there just makes it so easy. I can live record a drum voice, tweak it in the step sequencer, clone the pattern and make modifications. Then just press a button to add a new track, select a synth via the knobs/LCD, and bang in a bass line using the isomorphic pads. Ditto for leads, pads, more drums, etc.. It's just really fast and fluid. My main issue at this point is the braindead VST param mapping. It works pretty well for some of the Ableton products, but even their own range is not fully covered. And I don't see myself buying plugins that only work in a single DAW any time soon (I use only the Intro version).
In a related note, I imagine a lot of seasoned musicians mistrust or actively dislike the idea of an isomorphic music interface. It makes sense -- if you already know an instrument so well that you can quickly translate from your head into the right sounds then you've already got what you need. I can imagine some resentment when others are able to sidestep the musical tradition of bending your mind around an instrument. But it's pretty mind-bendy by itself, and it feels just as natural to hear some crazy synthesizer patch when I hit a pad (Push or otherwise) as it does when I'm using a piano keyboard.
For my taste, I much prefer sequencing with the Push to using a piano roll. Hell, I prefer sheet music to a piano roll (it's going to be interesting times once I've rewired Notion to Hollyhock!). I still use the keyboard on my Yamaha YS200 but I'm not even going to front -- I don't know shit about staying in key on that bedeviling interface once we move out of C Major/A Minor. And rightly so -- I never wanted to play piano before, and never realized a synth could sound anything except how they did in 80s pop (which I used to hate during my formative years). Now I understand synthesis and, weirdly enough, love 80s music. At the same moment, complex music theory itself becomes open to my exploration without first needing to learn the deeply complex intricacies of piano fingerings. I think it actually drives people closer to the theory by making it visceral and accessible without necessitating that you have already taken the "right" path when you were young and had the time to properly learn an instrument.
I'd say we are living in very interesting times with regard to the evolution of humans and music. I for one think isomorphic pads are here to stay (well, as long as electricity does anyway).
I hope Sequins proves useful to others. I need to make some videos/tutorials about how to use it.
And I was never able to get it working with the Preset Manager. I gave it a go (again) the other day and just got frustrated. Too many other cool things I could create. But whenever senso releases the next version, I should be able to make a revised version of Sequins that is more geared to external MIDI instruments (whereas I originally started it to have a step sequencer for Battery).
With regards to the Push workflow.. I start by laying out some drums that I find interesting. This is done in an interface that not only has 16 visible drum pads (you can use the modulation strip to move to other sets of pads) but has a 32 step sequencer. The other 16 pads allow you to select the current loop length (out of a total of 16 bars).
Having it all there just makes it so easy. I can live record a drum voice, tweak it in the step sequencer, clone the pattern and make modifications. Then just press a button to add a new track, select a synth via the knobs/LCD, and bang in a bass line using the isomorphic pads. Ditto for leads, pads, more drums, etc.. It's just really fast and fluid. My main issue at this point is the braindead VST param mapping. It works pretty well for some of the Ableton products, but even their own range is not fully covered. And I don't see myself buying plugins that only work in a single DAW any time soon (I use only the Intro version).
In a related note, I imagine a lot of seasoned musicians mistrust or actively dislike the idea of an isomorphic music interface. It makes sense -- if you already know an instrument so well that you can quickly translate from your head into the right sounds then you've already got what you need. I can imagine some resentment when others are able to sidestep the musical tradition of bending your mind around an instrument. But it's pretty mind-bendy by itself, and it feels just as natural to hear some crazy synthesizer patch when I hit a pad (Push or otherwise) as it does when I'm using a piano keyboard.
For my taste, I much prefer sequencing with the Push to using a piano roll. Hell, I prefer sheet music to a piano roll (it's going to be interesting times once I've rewired Notion to Hollyhock!). I still use the keyboard on my Yamaha YS200 but I'm not even going to front -- I don't know shit about staying in key on that bedeviling interface once we move out of C Major/A Minor. And rightly so -- I never wanted to play piano before, and never realized a synth could sound anything except how they did in 80s pop (which I used to hate during my formative years). Now I understand synthesis and, weirdly enough, love 80s music. At the same moment, complex music theory itself becomes open to my exploration without first needing to learn the deeply complex intricacies of piano fingerings. I think it actually drives people closer to the theory by making it visceral and accessible without necessitating that you have already taken the "right" path when you were young and had the time to properly learn an instrument.
I'd say we are living in very interesting times with regard to the evolution of humans and music. I for one think isomorphic pads are here to stay (well, as long as electricity does anyway).
Ewww. That Van Halen synth comes to mind. Will always detest that. Was saying to my wife just yesterday how I used to dislike these synthesizer sounds (which I now love) too....a synth could sound anything except how they did in 80s pop
Patching wise, I find it hard sometimes to resume where I left off. The logic which which my head was wrapped around at an earlier point just looks like visual nonsense! I'm improving at comment/note making, but still must improve further. Going to attempt to continue my CC Bots very soon. Got a 27" Touch Screen now, which has improved using HH tenfold. AND have returned to using the 'Juicy Looper'. Also using a PSEye in a simple but very interesting way too. You'll witness soon.
I see where you're coming from. The piano layout is odd. Seeing a symmetrical interval pattern helps surely helps you understand the theory on a more subtle/instinctive level, I think. And while there's obvious benefits of knowing notation/theory, I believe it's wholly unnecessary unless you need to communicate very specific ideas to other musicians, or to recite other people's work via sight reading.
Piano was my 2nd instrument (after violin) and thus got used to it, but an isomorphic layout just makes so much more sense. I have an app, Magix I think, which introduced me to the iso-layout, but I've only yet to use it when 'out and about'. So maybe having a larger, more ergonomical surface may be a good idea. As a sidenote, I've played guitar on and off for over 20 years and I STILL can't identify every note on the fretboard.
I've been wondering about using Battery as well as Maschine. Haven't looked properly yet, but if one could recall those rudiments/articulations with ease... then there's one reason to use it off the bat. Cheers!
Hey Blaakk, I just clicked on your soundcloud link and they said they couldn't find your user name. Thought you might want a heads up.
Re: Battery, well, I should really do a video tutorial on Sequins + Battery at some point. It's a really nice piece of software (though the older, green version was... not as much). So many ways to tone individual samples, layering options are really deep, and the default library is pretty decent as well. Not sure how it works with Maschine, but with Sequins it's the deeply fun
Re: Battery, well, I should really do a video tutorial on Sequins + Battery at some point. It's a really nice piece of software (though the older, green version was... not as much). So many ways to tone individual samples, layering options are really deep, and the default library is pretty decent as well. Not sure how it works with Maschine, but with Sequins it's the deeply fun
Oops. Cheers ceasless. Fixed it now.
Yeah dude! Do a video tutorial!
Yeah dude! Do a video tutorial!
I was thinking about trying echoloop as a jbridged version of möbius looper gets problematic. Möbius is great but I wonder how echoloop compares.
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is echoloop able to :
record something at some tempo (e.g. 120 bpm), and later play it in sync at another tempo (e.g. 160 bpm) ? or can it only play the sample at the speed it was recorded ?
record something at some tempo (e.g. 120 bpm), and later play it in sync at another tempo (e.g. 160 bpm) ? or can it only play the sample at the speed it was recorded ?
@ fractalist... it can't do what your asking. Its a recreation of the gibson echoplex.
@blaakk Have you managed to sync more than one of them together? It seems easy to sync them all to host... but i was wondering if there was a way that one looper could provide sync to the other slave instances of echo loop.
it seems to work pretty well in most basic ways. Since i am 64bit it doesn't seem to crash my hollyhock like the jbridged version of mobius.
although i would love a great 64 bit version of a good looper
@blaakk Have you managed to sync more than one of them together? It seems easy to sync them all to host... but i was wondering if there was a way that one looper could provide sync to the other slave instances of echo loop.
it seems to work pretty well in most basic ways. Since i am 64bit it doesn't seem to crash my hollyhock like the jbridged version of mobius.
although i would love a great 64 bit version of a good looper
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