Multi-Touch Availability

[gurulogic]

Now with the announcement that Usine will soon be multi-touch, the big question is when and where will we be able to purchase reasonably priced multi-touch displays and computers?
Perhaps we can keep this thread dedicated as a database of multi-touch display recources that we can use to compare product availability or soon to be availability, discussion of technology used in specific displays and where to buy these displays once available.

So far what I am aware of is:

Albatron OTM Display (eta unknown)
http://www.albatron.com.tw/English/news ... ews_id=296

Packard Bell Viseo 200T Display (eta mid October)
http://www.packardbell.com/filelib/COM/ ... _final.pdf

Sony VAIO L Series All-In-one (available now)
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/sto ... 4294954311

Fujitsu All-In-Ones and tablets?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/13/fuji ... nes-video/

HP TouchSmart tx2z tablet (available now)
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopp ... x2z_series

HP TouchSmart IQ500t and IQ800T All-In-One (available now)
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopp ... e_desktops

I am really hoping that some manufacturer decides to start making stand alone laptop sized high resolution multi-touch displays! Then we can have a nice portable solution without being tied to an underpowered / uncustomizable tablet or all in one computer...

That's all for now. Anyone else?

[senso]

the HP TouchSmart tx2zis not recommended for realtime audio.... I know I have one...

[fractal]

@ Gurulogic : great post !

i'll post some new laptops and all in one i've found (i read a lot of blog and site about Pc and laptop ^^ )

@Senso : do you have all the latest drivers ?the last Bios?Asio4all?

Because i use my TX2Z with Usine and Ableton => No problem...I know i have one ^^

[fractal]

Ok here i go :

Acer 1820P




Available: soon, maybee December. intel core 2 solo(performance?)

Asus T91



Available now, netbook (atom 1,6) 8,9 inch , a pretty cool very portable solution ^^

All-in-one MSI



Available : ? core 2 duo and core 2 quad, 24 inch (!!!)

[fractal]

Lenovo multitouch ThinkPad X200 Tablet and T400s laptop





Available now , Core 2 duo and solo, very expensive (1700-1900 dollars...)

Acer Aspire 5738PG



Core 2 Duo with ATI Radeon HD 4570, a 15.6-inch
Available :22 october in USA , 799 dollars

[fractal]

Fujitsu F series



Core 2 Duo P8700 2,53ghz, 20 and 23 inch
Available :soon, before christmas, price: ?

[gurulogic]

In response to the tx2z comments, I have just a tx2500 dual 2.0 GHZ single-touch and I agree that it is not good for realtime audio. I can just use it with a buffer of 1024, a small workspace, a couple VST's and a very high quality sound card but the Athlon mobile CPU's are very weak compared to intel core2.
I have been meaning to do some tests using it to remotely control a more powerfull computer with UltraVNC over LAN. Maybe this could be a good use for these very underpowered tablets if you happen to have one already?

[martignasse]

I have been meaning to do some tests using it to remotely control a more powerfull computer with UltraVNC over LAN. Maybe this could be a good use for these very underpowered tablets if you happen to have one already?

Another solution to test :
Just a light workspace with only the graphic interface, sending all the interesting values by OSC to another powerfull computer (with usine of course) where the heavy stuff is made.

[fractal]

Hummm yes...i use a very light workspace....^^
But for big workspace and loud realtime processing , the AthlonX2 is not very good, i agree.

Gurulogic and Martignasse(Hello man! ^^) see here :

http://nerds.de/en/ipmidi.html

Pretty interesting...and the License allow 3 install(the price is divided by 3 if 3 buyer buy one Licence ,69 euros/3 = 23 euros...)

We can build some terrific "a lot of (cheap) tablet" set up ^^
One tablet for this, the other for another thing...via a bodybuilded PC....hummm i love the idea!

[senso]

but you can do it in usine with osc?

[martignasse]

see here :

http://nerds.de/en/ipmidi.html

Hello fractal,

interesting link, but i think we already have all needed built in Usine with OSC .

The main difference beetwen the link you provided and OSC (apart another license fee) is that OSC send data's at patch variable level (int, string, array...) instead off midi code. It let you lot more freedom to extract the command and interface variable from your big workspace, link them the tx2z or whatever and build a light workspace dedicated to the control interface and multi touch (with usine and no audio).

I tested OSC last week and was bluffed, it's completely in the Usine spirit of endless power !

you should try

[23fx23]

seems we ll see lot of them for christmas.

still wonder lihgt-remote connected to desktop or all in one laptop... as yes osc must be a simple solution to transport infos..
I wish there will be some prtable 15 inch models like the stantum wich is too expensive but looks so handy.

[runagate]

much of my blog is devoted to multi-touch
I've been waiting years and years
http://runagate.noisepages.com/wp-admin/

here's some more:

http://www.diniro.net/fabbblog/2008/06/ ... las-1.html



http://nuigroup.com/forums/

http://blog.laptopmag.com/xo-2s-virtual ... the-future

Sharp Mebius NJ70A Netbook With LCD Multitouch Trackpad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QpxQLvBAH4

Gateway One ZX Series All-in-One PCs
http://www.gateway.com/programs/zxseries/

there's the 3M multi-touch developer's kit ($1500)
http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/e ... multitouch

Wacom's. of course, which is on most of the already mentioned laptops

Stantum's MDK-4.3 with pressure-sensitivity and an "under 8 ms" latency (the maker's of Lemur) dev kit is 750 euros (currently $1117.50 USD)

Synaptic's ClearPad (they haven't gotten back to me on OEM or dev kit prices)
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/prod ... efits-3000

[runagate]

Acer 230H 23" monitor



$899 at http://www.playtech.co.nz/product.php?a ... il&id=8311
not exactly what I consider affordable

[runagate]

I am not a Francophone but it appears that there's several webshops with the Viseo, currently by-far the cheapest multi-touch solution, in stock.

[ edit ]

For instance: http://www.grosbill.com/4-packard_bell_ ... -20poucess

Looks like I pasted the wrong link earlier so I edited it back in... thanks, Martin

[runagate]

I found this on http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/2561/

[quote=""GeoMan""]Ok, I got the prices on 19” and 22” panels I was looking for testing, here they are:

(single) and (multi) refers to single touch and multitouch panels

NIB190 – 19” IR touch screen(4.:3)
Price(single): US$180/unit at sample, US$170$/unit at ~50pcs, FOB Korea
Price(multi): US$360/unit at sample, US$255$/unit at ~50pcs, FOB Korea

NIB220 – 22” IR touch screen(16.:9)
Price(single): US$250/unit at sample, US$230$/unit at ~50pcs, FOB Korea
Price(multi): US$500/unit at sample, US$345$/unit at ~50pcs, FOB Korea

Made by NEXIO : http://inexio.co.kr/
Details on NIB Series: http://inexio.co.kr/product.htm

The sales man told me that they have multitouch APIs available for these panels. Panels are hooked via USB[/quote]
here's the manufacturer's site, presumably the "sample" price would be vastly less for a smaller monitor overlay, but then you'd have to calculate in shipping costs from Korea. Nice thing, though, is if your monitor breaks you can just unhook it and stick it onto another monitor

http://inexio.co.kr/product1.htm

here's the model numbers and available sizes (they can do other sizes for OEMs)

-NIB104(10.4 ” ) -NIB121(12.1 ” ) -NIB150(15 ” ) -NIB170(17 ” ) -NIB190(19 ” )
-NIB201(20.1 ” ) -NIB220(22 ” ) -NIB240(24 ” ) -NIB260(26 ” ) -NIB320(32 ” )
-NIB400(40 ” ) -NIB460(46 ” ) -NIB470(47 ” ) -NIB500(50 ” ) -NIB550(55 ” )
-NIB630(63 ” ) -NIB670(67 ” ) -NIB710(71 ” ) -NIB840(84 ” ) -NIB910(91 ” )
-NIB1000(100 ” )

[martignasse]

I am not a Francophone but it appears that there's several webshops with the Viseo, currently by-far the cheapest multi-touch solution, in stock.

For instance: http://www.boulanger.fr/webapp/wcs/stor ... TOR=SEC-35

Be careful, this Viseo version (PACKARD BELL Viséo 200Ws) isn't multi touch, not even tactile.

The multi touch version (PACKARD BELL Viséo 200T Touch), is available on GrosBill online store

[senso]

@ruangate: you are an encyclopedia!!
very interesting and large study

[senso]

bad news, the
Packard Bell Viseo 200T Display (eta mid October)
http://www.packardbell.com/filelib/COM/ … _final.pdf
use an IR recognition which allows only 2 points recognition...

[runagate]

bad news, the
Packard Bell Viseo 200T Display (eta mid October)
http://www.packardbell.com/filelib/COM/ … _final.pdf
use an IR recognition which allows only 2 points recognition...

Ah, no! That's terrible. I thought it was too cheap to be multi-touch.

It's rapidly becoming obvious that we need new technical jargon to differentiate touchscreens from 2-finger touch and true multi-touch, and whether something supports gestural controls, and if it's pressure-sensitive like Stantum's and Synaptics.

It matters A LOT.

Plus, it'd be nice to have truthful latency specifications. I realize that not everyone needs nearly realtime control like we musicians, but I can't imagine that latency is irrelevant to the average consumer, either. For instance, I've never encountered a standalone touch monitor that has low enough latency to draw a picture on with a natural brushstroke.


Thanks for the info, Olivier

[nay-seven]

bad news for the Packard Bell ...
nevermind , i don't like this company...

[runagate]

http://runagate.noisepages.com/2009/10/ ... dtrackpad/

Netbook with a 4" multi-touch LCD trackpad, too expensive but I'm trying to track down an OEM version that's not anchored to a $999 netbook.

[senso]

take a look on this interesting link.
http://10gui.com/video/

(thanks to nay-seven)

[gurulogic]

The Albatron Optical Touch Monitor (OTM) that I linked to in my first post seems promising in regards to touch response latency.
This is also an IR detection system but so far as I can tell it is at minimum 3 points touch capable.

"Compared to traditional touch screen, using capacitance methods, Albatron OTM adapts built-in optical sensors with resistance sensing technology. Movement is all tracked with infrared light, optical sensors and reflection bars surrounding the panel on the edges of the frame, so its response time and accuracy are better than traditional touch screens"

[martignasse]

about the Albatron OTM, i found the video on youtube corresponding to the image gurulogic posted

here

unfortunately, not more explicit about the multi capacity

but the reactivity seems pretty good

[runagate]

I think the Albatron is vaporware.
I waited with barely-contained excitement for it's MARCH launch date.... and nada. And no more news has every really surfaced. I even contacted the company way back then.

[runagate]

Acer Aspire Timeline 1820PT
note that the only the PT is a multitouch version!



Liliputing says:

The Acer Aspire Timeline 1820P is a thin and light laptop that looks a lot like the Acer Aspire 1410/Acer Aspire Timeline 1810T series. But there’s one major difference: The 1820P has a touchscreen display that can be folded down over the keyboard for use in tablet mode.

We first heard about the Acer Aspire Timeline 1820P a few weeks ago. But now the folks at Notebook Italia have had a chance to spend some hands-on time with an Aspire 1820PT. They report that Acer has included some touch-friendly software including a TouchPortal which features a photo viewer, music and video player, and several other widgets. You can also print photos by dragging them to a printer icon.

There’s also a TouchMemo utility for writing notes with your fingers or a stylus.

The AcerAspire 1820PT has an Intel core 2 Duo SU7300 CPU, GMA 4500 graphics, 4GB of RAM, up to 320GB of hard drive space, and a 1366 x 768 pixel display. It reportedly gets up to 8 hours of battery life and should be available in blue, black, and red.

as well as this important tidbit

The Aspire 1820P will reportedly be the same size and have the same basic specs as the Aspire 1410 (which is also called the Acer Aspire Timeline 1810T in many parts of the world), but it will have a touchscreen display and a swivel that lets you fold the screen down over the keyboard for use in tablet mode.

The screen will support multitouch gestures and the computer will ship with Windows 7, which means it won’t be available until late October at the earliest.

Macles reports that it weighs about 0.67 pounds more than the Acer Aspire 1410, which means the Aspire 1820P will probably weigh around 3.8 pounds.

[ edit ]

and also this news from jdsix

If you’re familiar with Acer Aspire 1820P that was leaked a few weeks ago, this seems to be its European counterpart. Even so, the Acer Aspire 1820PT Timeline is an 11.6 inches convertible touchscreen ultraportable, it has a 16:9 1366x 768 multitouch display, a 1.2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo SU7300 processor and optional integrated 3G. The DDR3 memory has a capacity of 4GB, a 250GB up to 320GB storage capacity, the graphics is via GMA X4500MHD that supports up to 8GB of RAM.

It includes gigabit Ethernet connectivity, WiFi a/b/g and Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, and optional UMTS/HSPA. It has three USB 2.0 ports, both VGA and HDMI, audio in/out, together with a multiformat card reader. The whole unit measures 285 x 208.9 x 28.5-34.5 mm and it weighs only 1.72kg. The screen and trackpad support multitouch function in Windows 7, it even has a stylus which can be used for accurate handwriting recognition. According to Acer, it can run up to 8hrs from standard battery.

There still are no hints about the price but we are sure that the Acer Aspire 1820PT Timeline will be out for purchase after Windows 7 will be available later this week.

[runagate]

From Engadget



[quote=""Engadget""]You asked, questioned and implored -- why, with all these underpowered touchscreen all-in-ones prowling our lands, can we not get a decent standalone touchscreen monitor? Well, somebody somewhere listened, and somebody else, presumably elsewhere, leaked. Presenting the entirely unofficial, but all the same real, Dell SX2210T: a 1920 x 1080 21.5-inch panel that has HDMI and DVI inputs alongside an integrated 2 megapixel webcam and microphone for your Skyping convenience. If its 1,000:1 contrast ratio and 2ms grey-to-grey response time sound familiar, it's because the non-touch sensitive SX2210 has been available for a while already. From the support documentation we're looking at, you'll need to hook up an extra USB connection for the touch interface, which doesnt appear to be multitouch, but we can always hope for a miraculous firmware update down the line, right?

Update: More info has surfaced on this monitor and the firmware we'd hoped for turns out to be named Windows 7. Multitouch panning and zooming is now a confirmed feature, but only if you're using Microsoft's latest and greatest.[/quote]
Damn it all to hell. Here's what I just read on Gizmodo:[quote=""Gizmodo""]You like the idea of an HP TouchSmart, but you'd like to keep your existing computer? Dell's SX2210T is a 21.5-inch multitouch monitor without the all-in-one PC attached.

Despite being discovered on Dell's site, the monitor hasn't been officially announced yet. We assume the system is IR-based (meaning it's limited to 2 simultaneous touch points), tracking a finger and stylus alike as you drag and drop or pan/zoom.

Otherwise, specs are like any other monitor, with 1920x1080 resolution, 1000:1 contrast and quick 2ms response time, along with HDMI/DVI-in and a webcam/mic combo. No word yet on pricing or release, but we like the idea. A lot.[/quote]

[fractal]

Soo quick Runagate ^^ (i'm writing the same post...^^)
We read the same site i think

Arghhh hope it's not only 2 fingers touch...(but with one finger i do a lot...2 can be terrific ! but 5 or more is better...)

[runagate]

Soo quick Runagate ^^ (i'm writing the same post...^^)
We read the same site i think

Arghhh hope it's not only 2 fingers touch...(but with one finger i do a lot...2 can be terrific ! but 5 or more is better...)

I've been hitting refresh on my RSS reader embarrassingly often for weeks.

I've been awaiting this technology for 15 years to use with music... my fear is that, once I get it, I'm actually going to have to design the software to properly utilize it, too

Ya'll see the Barnes and Noble Nook? Even it has a multi-touch screen, and it's an Android device.
Why can't I have a freaking multi-touch OSC LCD wireless controller now, dammit?

[senso]

After this long discussion, it's time to ask the question:

Can we find actually a monitor ?

- 20'/22' normal resolution
- multi-touch more than 2 points,
- a reasonable price like 300$

???

[gurulogic]

Well, we are asking for the hardware before even the supporting softwares are available, so I wouldn't worry just yet. I think more and more software developers are going to soon see the benefits of multi-touch, and hopefully soon hardware developers will catch up to the increasing demand. I think there are still a lot of people who think that they will have to hold their arms straight out all day to use a touch display...silly!!

Slight OT, but did Usine version 6 get leaked waaay ahead of time!?
http://www.subcycle.org/

[bjorn]

All the multi-touch laptops seem to be using tech from either wacom (two-points) or n-trig (4-points) and it seems likely some monitors might use those too although there seems to be a much larger variety of solutions used in that market.

There seems to be win7 drivers available from the NUI Group community so maybe DIY is the way to go for true multi-touch...

[fractal]

@Senso : nope...

The Dell SX2210T is for the moment, the best candidate(if more than 2 fingers touch...) , a little pricey, but we can hope a price drop in few month...

[senso]

cool,but do you have info about the availability date?

[runagate]

@Senso : nope...

The Dell SX2210T is for the moment, the best candidate(if more than 2 fingers touch...) , a little pricey, but we can hope a price drop in few month...

Dell SX2210T for $469 USD w/3 year warranty

Found that via Techbargains.com, oddly enough. Free shipping.

Bear in mind that multi-touch functions require Win7 Premium or higher. Which I seem to recall being $200 USD if you don't have an upgrade path from Vista, no?

My DAW PC's WinXP OS is so messed up at the moment, including not recognizing ANY sound card, from some mishap with the latest Windows update, that I am almost guaranteed to upgrade to Win7 anyways, since my main hesitation is re-installing the bajillion VSTs I use - which takes about 3 weeks for all my audio apps, I kid you not. Very painful. So if I'm screwed anyways nows is as good a time as every to switch to Win7.

Unfortunately, I haven't paid much attention to whether all my VSTs will be compatible, nor truth be told, whether Usine and FLStudio will work... damn. This is going to be a long week. And I've got an October 31st deadline for 3 songs that aren't even rendered for me to take elsewhere and finish.

[senso]

any technical info about the dell monitor?

PS:@runagate: I use Windows 7 since 10 month now on 2 computers without any hard incompatibility issues. except on few soft.
Windows 7 really rocks for me.

[runagate]

Sure, Senso:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/M ... /about.htm

online documentation

Anyone know why the homesites of manufacturer's search fields never can find their own products? It's so odd. You'd think they'd want us to find them, but you'd never guess this is for sale by just searching around the Dell site.

[senso]

but on this doc they don't speak about multi-touch so ??
and generally the Optical touch recognition system allows between 1 to 3 touch points

Anyone know why the homesites of manufacturer's search fields never can find their own products? It's so odd. You'd think they'd want us to find them, but you'd never guess this is for sale by just searching around the Dell site.

especially actually with touch screens .
I'm it contact with the technical service of packard-bell for the viseo 200T and they don't have any specification themself....

[runagate]

From engadget

[quote=""engadget""]HP's just rather quietly announced a new display hot on the heels of tomorrow's Windows 7 launch. This 21.5-inch, 1080p bad boy boasts an optical multitouch panel with one finger scrolling and two finger mousing capabilities. Stylus fans will also be overjoyed to hear that the Compaq L2105tm has a stylus of its own that tucks into the side of the monitor when not in use. HP is calling this one the first "Windows 7 certified" monitor, meaning you should be able to pull it right out of the box, plug it in and get moving. The Compaq L2105tm will be available tomorrow for $299. Full press release is after the break.[/quote]
Optical, therefore 2-touch I presume. But $299 is a much, much better deal!

[amiga909]

thanks a lot for the discussion (especially runagate)!

never had a touchscreen and wondering about the precision of such devices?
can these HP, Acer, Dell, etc. displays match the precision of a, say, lemur?

[runagate]

Presumably not. But they can display whatever you choose to display, and can utilize gestural controls.

If you don't understand how those two things explode the control possibilities you will soon.
I'm sure the hardware isn't especially good. Lemur's is especially good. It's the software I take great exception to. The entire paradigm, actually. It imposes limits for no good reason. And it's so far out of the realm of my being able to afford it it's ridiculous. And trust me - I've approached them about getting a developer kit for their absolutely brilliant pressure-sensitive OEM screen. Might as well crowdsource the amalgam of hardware + software, since none of us can even pretend to have the entire skillset necessary to fully imagine and implement the sum of possible advances possible with this new technology.
And I've given it a damned lot of thought, myself

I wish I could draw a flowchart here on the forums... lol. It's win7 release day! Let's go poke around for the perfect device!

[gurulogic]

Nowhere near actual production so far as I can tell, but this looks promising:
http://labs.moto.com/scalable-multi-touch/

Also interesting is the 3M "Multi-Touch Developer Kit "
http://www.ravepubs.com/index.php?optio ... dline-news

[nay-seven]

@gurulogic last ones seems really well done but 1499 us dollar for 3M and it's only a kit...!!!
hope the labs-moto one would be cheaper...

thanks anyway

[runagate]

Acer's Aspire 1420P



[quote=""MaximumPC""]Acer president Scott Lin says his company has big plans for the tablet PC market, and today the company put on display its new Aspire 1420P tablet during a press event in China.

The sleek 11.6-inch tablet features a swiveling LED touchscreen with multitouch support, an Intel Celeron SU2300 processor (1.2GHz, 1MB L2 cache, 800MHz frontside bus), 2GB of DDR3 memory (expandable to 8GB), a 250GB hard drive, 802.11b/g/Draft-N, a multi-card reader, optional 3G support, and Windows 7.

According to the tablet's U.S. product page (yep, this one's headed for the States), the convertible display sports a built-in accelerometer that automatically rotates images so you can "use it as a photo frame, portable cinema, or the [as] the perfect presentation tool."

What the product page doesn't tell us is when the 1420P will be released and at what price[/quote]
A freaking accelerometer? I can only imagine the fun of mounting this on some sort of spring-loaded stand on stage for 3D control in addition to the multitouch GUI performance aspects. Probably ridiculously prices, but alas...

[bjorn]

Many modern laptops have accelerometers in them to protect the HD from damage by detecting sudden movements and tablets use them to detect in which way to orient the screen so I'm not sure if what they're trying to say is that they will have more software features using the accelerometer.

Typical accelerometer usage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV7alYcq5Nk

[runagate]

Amazon has 3 MSI Wind Top AE2220 models for pre-order, all of which are multi-touch

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&x=10&re ... lias%3Daps



MSI AE2220-03SUS 21.6-Inch Black Desktop PC (Windows 7 Home Premium) by MSI
Buy new: $659.99

Technical Details
2.4GHz Intel Pentium Dual Core T4300 Processor
4GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM RAM
320GB SATA Hard Drive, DVD SuperMulti Drive
21.6" (1920 x 1080) 16:9 Display, NVIDIA GeForce 9300 Graphics
Windows 7 Home Premium


MSI AE2220-04SUS 21.6-Inch Black Desktop PC (Windows 7 Home Premium) by MSI
Buy new: $699.99

Technical Details
2.4GHz Intel Pentium Dual Core T4300 Processor
3GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM RAM
320GB SATA Hard Drive, DVD SuperMulti Drive
21.6" (1920 x 1080) 16:9 Display, NVIDIA GeForce 9300 Graphics
Windows 7 Home Premium


MSI AE2220-05SUS 21.6-Inch Black Desktop PC (Windows 7 Home Premium) by MSI
Buy new: $899.99

Technical Details
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 Processor
4GB 200-Pin DDR2 SO-DIMM RAM
500GB SATA Hard Drive, Blu-ray Drive
21.6" (1920 x 1080) 16:9 Display, NVIDIA GeForce 9300 Graphics
Windows 7 Home Premium

[23fx23]

nice

[gurulogic]

They say multi-touch for the AE2220, but do they mean just two finger touch like seems to be the trend? Maybe it's time for manufacturers to start drawing a clear line between "dual-touch" and "multi-touch"?

Otherwise if it is true multitouch and if they threw a quad core i7 or even i5 in there, I'd be all over it!

[runagate]

They say multi-touch for the AE2220, but do they mean just two finger touch like seems to be the trend? Maybe it's time for manufacturers to start drawing a clear line between "dual-touch" and "multi-touch"?

Otherwise if it is true multitouch and if they threw a quad core i7 or even i5 in there, I'd be all over it!

I was already bitching about that

Deceptive advertising: Let’s all agree to differentiate between Multi-Touch and Dual-Touch

[runagate]

It looks as though the Gateway One multi-touch all-in-ones have arrived

http://www.gateway.com/systems/series/529598094.php

Gateway® ZX4800-03 NEW $71999

Intel® Pentium® Processor T43001 (2.1GHz, 1MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)3
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit)4
3072MB DDR2 SDRAM Memory5
320GB 7200RPM SATA hard drive6
20" HD Widescreen Ultrabright™ LCD (1600 x 900 resolution) with Multi-Touch Capable Touch Screen Solution7



I can't bear the time and effort to track down whether it's true multi-touch or just dual-touch right now, as I hate to buy a whole damned PC, and one vastly less powerful than the one I use, just to get the LCD.

I did however upgrade to Windows 7. Right now my tiny 14" touchscreen is jammed full of "Gadgets" which are Windows widgets.

[senso]

you should wait before buy a new computer. Things will change in few weeks, especially the opportunity to get a real multitouch screen, as a stand-alone device, not a 'all in one' PC.

[runagate]

you should wait before buy a new computer. Things will change in few weeks, especially the opportunity to get a real multitouch screen, as a stand-alone device, not a 'all in one' PC.

A few weeks? What do you know? Cuz I'm going crazy. It's been 15 years, Olivier... and you know the other thing I'm working on. That's proceeding nicely, SO much research I swear my head is going to cave in.

[senso]

I haven't any special info about this subject but just good vibes...

[gurulogic]

...just good vibes...

Nice!

[runagate]

HP DV3 notebook with dual-touch, couldn't find the model number though:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/27/hp-p ... wild-we-g/



Seems to be dual-touch, right? At least the trackpad is dual-touch, too.

[runagate]

Here's an all-in-one-list dual- and multi-touch list I found:

Acer Aspire AS5738PG
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

Acer Aspire Z5610
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

Asus Eee PC T91
Netbook
Netbook
Resistive

Dell SX2210T 21.5” Monitor
Monitor
Optical

Dell Studio One 19
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

Dell Latitude XT2
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu Lifebook T4310
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu Lifebook T4410
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu LifeBook 5010
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu DeskPower F Series
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

Gateway One ZX4800
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

HP 21.5” Compaq L2105tm
Monitor
Optical

HP 42” LD4200tm
Monitor
Optical

HP TouchSmart 600t
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

HP TouchSmart 300z
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

HP TouchSmart TX2
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

HP TouchSmart dx9100
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

Lenovo ThinkPad X200
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Lenovo ThinkPad T400
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

Medion X9613
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

Sony VAIO L
Desktop
All-in-One
Optical

Toshiba Satellite U505
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

Toshiba Satellite M505
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

[runagate]

Acer debuts 23-inch T230H multitouch monitor



[quote=""engadget""]full 1920 x 1080 resolution, a 2ms response time, a promised 80,000:1 contrast ratio (take that with the usual grain of salt), and an HDMI port in addition to DVI and VGA. Still no official word on US pricing, it seems, but this one will apparently run €349 in Europe (or just over $500).[/quote]
By the way I've no idea if this is Optical/Dual-Touch or true multi-touch. It's not $299, though, so it's a no-brainer not to buy Acer junk.

Here's a multi-touch laptop for $600 off for you rich folks, though:

12" Lenovo ThinkPad X200 CULV Tablet Laptop for $1,207 plus free shipping (normally $1,879 - use coupon code USPTHINKTAB).

I assume the deal won't last long

[runagate]

ASUS Eee PC T91MT-PU17-WT Tablet White Netbook MIULTI-TOUCH for PRE-ORDER for $549

As I say on my blog I'd be more inclined to use this as a wireless multi-touch GUI control surface to send controls to my desktop, [ edit ] it's not true multi-touch [/edit]

[senso]

still bi-touch..
still bi-touch..
still bi-touch..

[runagate]

still bi-touch..
still bi-touch..
still bi-touch..

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I.... dammit.

I just recently watched a more-than-2 finger multitouch Eee PC video, but it wasn't the 91MT.
It was a model that doesn't currently have any touchscreen... maybe it'll come out soon.
Thanks for saving me there, Senso... I already posted on KVR and my blog that it's multi-touch.
I don't see why it isn't, truth be told.

[MikeyJ]

Senso,

You mentioned your tablet not being good for real-time audio but you didn't mention why. I have the generation prior to that, the TX2500z and I thought the same thing until I went into Device Manager, right-clicked on my HP Integrated Bluetooth module, went to the Power Management tab and UNCHECKED the "Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power" checkbox. Until I did this I had terrible stuttering distortion. As soon as I did the above it disappears. You may need to do the same on the Ethernet adapter too but your mileage may vary...

Mike

[runagate]

Albatron 22″ OTM monitor finally for sale in Taiwan but is only Optical dual-touch

[fractal]

Pfff Albatron... sooo long to launch and taaaadaaaaa ====> dual touch...yeah....

next....

Ps: if anyone look at a TX2Z , i sell mine ; ) (very cool price)

[NaN]

Does anybody know whether the new remote desktop is able to transfer multi-touch events if Windows 7 is running on both the client and the server? (I currently have a multitouch capable Dell Latitude XT running with Windows 7 RC and use this all the time to remote control the interfaces of more demanding virtual instruments on my stationary PC via remote desktop from the tablet pc that resides on the music stand of the master keyboard. (MIDI is directly routed from the masterkeyboard to the desktop pc of course, I just control the GUIs via remote desktop what works without notible delay over WLAN.) I'm still using Vista on the desktop pc though, so I was not able to test whether multitouch would be transmitted in the case of a Windows 7 remote desktop server.) If this works this would be rather nice, because then we could use the forthcoming Usine version from a light, portable multi-touch capable device as "thin client" for controlling a fast desktop pc without having to set up OSC, beeing able to control the native vst GUIs etc.

NaN

[gurulogic]

Their 40" display might be overkill for Usine (or not) , but the 22" 22+ touch point overlay looks interesting.
available 1h (1'st half?) 2010.
http://www.flatfrog.com/artikel.php?aid=76&lang=EN

[nay-seven]

great , overlay is a great solution, I've send them an e-mail for prices...

[senso]

waiting for the price too!!!

[gurulogic]

Perhaps some sort of pre-retail group buy could be arranged if a sample and the pricing turns out to be adequate? (which would mean someone would have to get a sample..Senso?

[senso]

why not, lets wait for the price list.

[runagate]

why not, lets wait for the price list.

Group buy? Sounds tasty!

Thanks for the link, Guru - you guys be sure to let me know what they say.

You'd be stunned how many OEM-targeted multi-touch manufacturers I've contacted.

And, as Senso knows, I'm not just in the market for one touchscreen for myself.

These companies take forever to get back to solicitations to buy their products! It's bizarre.

The prices are ALL over the map, too... some basically identical multitouch solutions can vary in price from $900 to $5000 for no discernible reason.

I can't wait for the technology to mature - I want Usine to become the live multitouch gestural standard.

Right now I'm working on AR anyways, out of frustration with multi-touch.

Ya'll see this one I posted?

MOTO’s AMP MID: an Android 2.0 touchscreen tablet



I think we're eventually going to have to treat our gestural interfaces, whether multi-touch screens or other gestural controllers, as Usine does GUI solutions: as UI elements divorced from the underlying plug-in or DAW parameters which we're trying to control.

There's no reason an Android app on an external gadget can't send OSC commands to control Usine. We just need a similar visual interface to assign automation to. I'm working on it

[senso]

We just need a similar visual interface to assign automation to. I'm working on it

i'm impatient to see your prototype

[nay-seven]

I've receive the answer from FlatFrog..
sadly , no price for the moment , only the 40 '' is in alpha stage and will be sold normally in first month of 2010..
others size end of 2010.....
wait and see..

[runagate]

Arg.

Thanks, nay-seven.

One thing I noticed is that their technology detects pressure if it's desired

That's a very good thing. One more axis of control. And perfect for "velocity" or other such parameters.


Anyone know if the $800 Acer Aspire AS5738PG is true multi-touch or dual-touch?


BTW, Senso, I got my Zii Egg today.
Switching between their proprietary Plaszma OS and Android 1.6 actually requires a 20-30 minute firmware update (and you have to back up all your data first, which with 32GB onboard memory can be hours).

Nevertheless, the development tools are quite nice. The Android optimized for Android SDK doesn't have Bluetooth support yet anyways. It's a work in progress over there at Creative.

[senso]

the Hp touchsmart tx2 detects the surface of the contact. Interesting parameter.
keep us informed of your development on android.

[PabloM]

Hello everybody and hello Oliver, my name is Pablo Martin, i create aplication called MonoTouchLive few years ago, is a midi controller, i think you rememberme : ) i send few mails some years ago about multitouch.

Like you see the tx2z is really not reliable touchscreen, dont know why you comment is not usefull for live use but this is are the troubles i have with tx2z:

1 Ghost touchs: some times the capacitive touchscreen used in tx2z generate false touchs.
2 If the unit is not connected to power supply and you not make ground with the unit, the capacitive touchscreen some times no detect the touchs.
3 If your body is aislated from ground, sometimes the touchscreen no detect the touchs or fail in random way, this is common on big live stages with wood floor and separated from the ground, you know like any stage on big festivals : (

This 3 reasons make the tx2z not really usefull for live usage, tellme if you see any of one or all this troubles.
But for everybody plain buy tx2z, this are real problems.

Tx2z use touchscreen provide by company N-Trig, this touchscreen is the same in use in all other tablets with multitouch support , like Dell XT and XT2, and the Lenovo.
Large list of incoming product use this same touchscreen sensor from N-TRIG.

HP TOUCHSMART DESKTOP use optical sensor, provided by nextwindow company, and is optical.
Due how that technology work, only can detect 2 touches in reliable way, based in waht i know, the company limited some time ago the detection to just 2 touch. (early version of device and drivers not have that limitation but work really bad)
The new Dell Dell SX2210T use the same technology, that is bad news ! (Dell Studio One use the same technology form same company)

The goog point of this technology is the durability, due is optical, and what you touch in the screen is solid glass over the screen, (cameras for detection are lcoated in the corners)

Some time ago i work with TOUCHSMART and detect 2 troubles:

1 only 2 touchs detection in reliable way
2 due the technology for sense touch is optical, any little object over the screen cause touch detection.........i see that in the summer of year 2008 just few hours after i buyed TOUCHSMART , when little mosquito walk over the screen and that create touchs. LOL

In studio enviroment this no is a problem, or under winter months, but for work in live enviroment in the summer, and specially if plain work outdoor, this is very problematic. Insects are atracted by light from the LCD, so trustme you have lots of false random touchs.........

I contacted time ago to nextwindow company and inform this, they explain how reduce the treshold detection, making somple change on windows register, but that not help, i reduce to minimum value and little insects on the screen act like finger touching the screen.

FINALLY I SELLED the HP touchsmart for all this torubles, and the TX2z, for all troubles i explain PLUS heat !! The TX2z work really amazing super heat !

All massive devices in the market right now, like desktops , or notebooks or tablets use technology from NEXTWINDOWS OR N-TRIG.........

Like you see this is a big trouble.

TYCO electronic (ELO TOUCH) plain launch very soon, resistive multitouch LCD, but limited to 2 touches, check the ELO site and you can see.

I have version of my software under development with multitouch support, but the toruble is the same i see few years ago, HARDWARE troubles or limitations form the touchscreen device.......

I builded just for FUN multitouch screen using projector and IR webcam and i found is more faster and reliable, but the portability is the problem.............

Hoppe this information be usefull for you and hoppe some company launch soon some multitocuh LCD or Desktop or Notebook with reliable touchscreen sensor.

The only realible technology for potable devices is the technology APPLE use on iphones, and the best of all is the technology from jazzmutant guys, they are part of cpmpany called STATUM, and they provide the best multitouch technology avialble right now, soon is possible we see 10.1 inch tablet form they http://www.stantum.com/en/offer/slatepc , i think 10.1 is really small........
Until we see devices using statum sensors, i think we not have any reliable real solution, probably APPLE launch very soon multitouch tablet, but is rumor uncofrimed.

Sorry to everybody for my poor english, and for all this negative news......

Hoppe soon we have cheap, poirtable and reliable multitouch devices for windows.

Best regards !

[senso]

@Pablo
thanks for your feedback and welcome to the forum, we are very proud to have such a good programmer like you.

For me the main problems with the tx2 are
- the CPU is totally unadapted to audio production, not powerful enough.
- sometime the driver crashes and the touch capabilities are stopped. Then we have to restart the computer. It happen sometime.

My opinion is that the Market is going to evolve very fast in the next weeks (months)

[nay-seven]

yep ! welcome pablo !!
nice to see you here

[PabloM]

Oliver.......no weeks or months, just few days, check this !!!

MULTITOUCH LCD FOR JUST 299 U$ !!!

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm ... g=en&cc=us


Only 2 touchs, this LCD use same technology like Dell provided from NEXTWINDOW
2 TOUCHES CAN BE A LIMITATION FOR SOME ENVIROMENTS, BUT LOL FOR JUST 299u$ I THINK BUY 2 OF THIS !! JIJIJI

In few days acer launch new lcd touchscreen, but i think the price from HP is the best, and no think Acer launch better price.

Best regards

Pablo Martin

[PabloM]

Somebody in USA can buy one of this units and ship to me?


Not joke !!

[runagate]

Samsung SyncMaster Lapfit LD220Z: 22-inch Multitouch Notebook LCD



haven't discovered whether it's optical dual-touch or capacitive or what...

whatever it is it's not listed on the Samsung site yet

[runagate]

Iiyama ProLiteeT2250MTS: 21.5-inch 1080p Multitouch LCD Monitor




dual-TOUCH
Brightness: 270 cd/m2
Response Time: 5ms
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Connectivity: DVI-D, VGA
Availability: December in Japan
Price: €409.99

Gestures such as rotating, moving, double-clicking, and changing the size of a picture are supported. For the price of over US$600, the T2250MTS is on the expensive side

[senso]

so still bi-toutch?

[runagate]

Stantum's proof-of-concept 10-point multi-touch with pressure sensitivity tablet PC with Windows 7

The holy grail. Not many aside from Jazzmutant/Stantum have pressure sensitivity (for 3D controls or velocity on drum pads, etc.)
Some flaws, like lack of wireless connection (OSC over Bluetooth would have been nice, but I can't see why the USB slots couldn't host that...) and no accelerometer... but if the price is reasonable (and with Jazzmutant it's probably not) it's the best we can possibly hope for at the moment:

[23fx23]

it seems yes, or some that rumored mactablet that will cost $$$$

arf, why the hell don't they make exactly same product without computer, just the screen, a video wire and an usb/ wireless connection for multitouch data, that would be my holy grail... or if we could feed video in from another main/computer and also send multitouch control.

I didn't understood, has the statum an usb slot/ any external connection?
so possible now to have an usine control pach that send osc to the main computer, a usine powered lemur now,?? !

edit: ok hadn't seen 2 usb port! mmm also 1024/600 , but still.. usine powered lemur!

hard to wait arf some asked the price to stantum?

[runagate]

MSI's 21.5-inch multitouch Wind Top AE2220 all-in-one now shipping



I presume it's DUAL-touch... I'm trying to find more specific information on whether it's Optical or not.

@23fx23: I haven't emailed Stantum yet. It takes so long for them to respond I'm pretty much fed up with their games at the moment. I nevertheless want one. If I actually believed they'd simply ship one to me tomorrow I'd sell my VX5 and order it right this moment, though.

[23fx23]

I ve alsked price/avail for one unit, no response yet ,..

[23fx23]

answer from stantum:

Ce produit de fabrication « maison » est une preuve de concept disponible en quantité limité. La prochaine version (révision 2) sera livrée dans 2 mois avec Wifi et Bluetooth. Ces Slate PC seront disponibles dans l’ordre des commandes jusqu’à épuisement du stock. En raison du succès du lot précédent, nous vous conseillons fortement de passer votre commande dès que possible. Je vous enverrez des renseignements sur les prix et les modalités de commande dès la semaine prochaine. Ci-dessous quelques données techniques préliminaires de la révision 2 :
· Windows 7 (32bits) pre-installed (no license provided)· Same battery life as the original Mini 1010
· WiFi and Bluetooth
· Intel Atom Z530 (1.6GHz,533MHz,1G RAM)
· 1Gb RAM
· 10.1" TFT screen
· 160Gb hard drive
· Intel GMA 500 graphics
· 2x USB
· HDMI out
· Mic-in
· Headphones-out
· Ethernet 10/100
· SD/MMC card reader
Il est important de noter qu’aucune garantie n’est fournie. Le Slate PC n’est pas un produit commercial (pas de garantie, de contrôle qualité et de service après-vente)
Veuillez trouver ici : http://www.stantum.com/medias/datasheet ... C_rev2.pdf la documentation de la révision 2.
En ce qui concerne la disponibilité de la dalle en elle-même je vous conseille d’attendre la fin du mois de décembre, un MDK-12.1 sera disponible (basé sur la même technologie que les MDKs existants. Prix : 750 euros(EXW Bdx))

[nay-seven]

750 € with no warranty and for a " home made " 10 ".....not for me

[23fx23]

yup from what i undestood 750e is for the 12' mdk without computer and without screen!!, havn't yet the price of the 10'slate pc but i think will be freaking too high too.. so still have to wait months to democratize .arf dual is not bad but i thought there would be more true multitouch portabe screens...waiting and waiting, think it will be longer than expected...

[runagate]

This might be it, finally, and it might not be real easy for any of us to obtain: X9: Windows 7 multi-touch plus pressure sensitive tablet out of reach in Shenzhen, China?



X9 hardware configuration

Processor: Intel Atom N270 1.6Ghz

Memory: 1GB (expandable to 2GB) DDR2

Graphics: Intel 950 Integrated

Screen: 10.02 inch ’TFT + Touchscreen, 1024 x 600

Sound Integration

Camera: 1.3 million pixel high-definition

Hard Drive: 160G (250G/320G) SATA Interface

Drive External: Optional

Wireless: 802.11a/b/g Wi-Fi + WCDMA TD-SCDMA CDMA2000

Battery: Lithium-polymer battery, 2800mAh / 3500mAh

Battery Adapter: Input :100-240v / 50-60Hz 1.7A Output: 12V 3.5A

Weight: 1Kg (with battery)

Cooling: Copper Heat-pipe cooling fan

Accessories: Power adapter, battery, manual

Size: 226.3mm (length) X166.9mm (W) X24.7mm (H)

IO interface: 3 USB ports; 5-in-1 card reader (SD / MS / MMC / ms-pro); VGA interface; 1 Network (RJ-45) jack; a microphone jack; a headphone jack; a USIM card slot

Chupin Manufacturer: Shenzhen Cool Rui Technology Co., Ltd.

What I think is the OEM price is 4,000 yuan, which comes out to about $586 USD, So less than half than the Stantum Slate protoype... with a hell of a lot more features.

[runagate]

By the way, if you feel like dropping lots of cash on a multitouch laptop this Black Friday you can get a Thinkpad X200 multi-touch at a $773.80 discount with this link and this coupon code (USPBLKFRIDAY)

[goyya76]

Hi all!

About "dropping lots of cash" (2995 USD)...so probably it's just out of curiosity for most of us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xO1rDezfzY

http://dawtouch.com/default.aspx

Damn if it looks good!

[gurulogic]

The "dawtouch" looks like an over glamorized touch screen in a fancy case so far as I can tell.
Also, there is not even anything I can see that suggests that it is multitouch = more or less a total waste of a lot of money!

[runagate]

StarBoard DUAL-Touch Interactive Whiteboard (63" Diagonal) $1,499.00 USD

Youtube video, now with red stretch pants

[runagate]

As to the "DAW touch"...


[quote=""Redleaf FAQ""]Frequently Asked Questions:

Is your system multitouch capable?
Yes, the system is capable of detecting 2 fingers just like the iPhone. It is ready for Windows 7 2-finger multitouch gestures such as zoom, pan, rotate, etc. Drivers are being developed for MacOS and expected to be ready for release in Sept 2009.

Can you control 2 faders at the same time?
No, not yet. The system currently acts like a standard mouse input to your software. There is no special software or HUI protocols between your touch inputs and the software you see on the screen. Direct input has been our primary focus so that there will never be any compatibility issues.
We are exploring other low cost alternatives that will allow us to achieve multi-user (multi-cursor/multi-finger) input.

The street price for the TSC-32 will be $2995 USD and will be available for purchase at select retailers.[/quote]
I find charging 3 Grand for this to be incomprehensible, but then again musician-oriented computer gear is always hideously inflated in price. People actually buy PCs from places for thousands of dollars, whereas my quadcore i7 OC'd to 3.8Ghz cost $680, including the SLI video card and 6Gb of RAM. I don't know how someone can make computer music and be so ignorant of computers.

[goyya76]

regarding the dawtouch...

i thought (without cheking on their site) that it was multitouch, just by looking the youtube vid (obviously, i have to improve my English listening!)

then...the fact that "The system currently acts like a standard mouse input to your software" make it sound rather overpriced - i mean, a 32" touch panel kit (if any is available) will surely cost more than the 17" or 19" ones you can get for 100 bucks (very generally speaking), but 3000 $....

[23fx23]

probably the ultimate usine powered lemur coming soon, soooo nice:

http://www.stantum.com/medias/datasheets/MDK-121.pdf

...but i had the prices and they 're not nice.....
, even if it's probably the best technology for our puposes
need to steal a bank to afford one of these jewels!

10'1 slate pc : 990E HT avaible january (but no power and no vga in, so need osc double patch)
12.1MDK without screen : 750E HT avaible end december. (but need to find a fiting screen)
12.1 mdk with screen: 1250E HT avaible ? (so 500E for the 12' 4:3RGB 6bits 800x600 fiting screen!!!! )

ouch! im really sad, didn't expected 800x600 for 1250E...without taxes!,
but the technology must be more accurate and add pressure captation, so lemur is unbrided an price is a bit lower...
will take time for the technology to really invade with lower prices I guess
semms most will choose mass production for cheap 2 touch optical so dad and mum can zoom their photos, and stantum technology will keep lemur prices for a while. arf hope a giant in music industry could fast be a partner and lower the price,
don't wanna wait a new year..!!

[23fx23]

just curious how W7 multitouch driver works.

lest's say you have 10 finger X-Y tracking, each one with pressure detection, that's already 30 values ,is W7 native accessing/giving all those infos, and will usine receive all those infos?

[senso]

yes, all!

[23fx23]

thanks 4 answer, wow that's a good news! still need to steal a bank..

[amiga909]

thanks a lot for ur work runagate and 23fx23.
following this discussion saved me LOADS of time.

that stanton unit is the thing to have for me as well.

[runagate]

thanks a lot for ur work runagate and 23fx23.
following this discussion saved me LOADS of time.

that stanton unit is the thing to have for me as well.

No problem - I've been obsessed for years and am writing about it on my blog, Digital Shiv, anyways.

I totally disagree that paying Stantum's extorshionist prices is the way to go. But I want one anyways. I'm going to talk to some Chinese friends and see about getting the X9. I'll let ya'll know.

Here's a $120 dual-touch 10" notebook DIY kit on eBay discussed on the liliputing blog

[runagate]

The MSI Wind Top AE2020 all-in-one with DUAL-touch monitor now available for £600 in the United Kingdom
(that comes out yo $977.76 USD)

It's on the MSI site if you're interested.

Oh, and check my blog for a Stantum press release about why you'll never get your hands on their superb multi-touch for a reasonable price: http://runagate.noisepages.com/

[runagate]

Acer Aspire 1820PTZ Convertible Tablet multi-touch & pressure-sensitive... from VR-Zone forums



first of all this little netbook is multi-touch (I believe it's true multi-touch, since it appears to use Wacom N-Trig's screen)
it is also pressure-sensitive which makes for not only 3-axes of control (useful for, for instance, 3D multi-channel or binaural panning) but also for velocity for piano-keyboard, drum pads or other plug-in instrument UIs.

285 (W) 208.9 (D) 28.5/34.5 (H) mm
(11.22 x 8.22 x 1.12/1.36 inches)

apparently the trackpad (smallish, since it's a tiny netbook) also responds to multi-touch gestures (I presume 2-touch?)

7+ hours battery life

Intel Pentium Dual Core SU4100 CPU (2M Cache, 1.30 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
which is fairly reasonable for a baby netbook that you'd only use as a wireless control surface via OSC to Usine, for instance...


integrated GMA 4500MHD graphics
11.6 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel touchscreen display
3GB of RAM
160G hard drive
802.11b/g/n WiFi.
3 USB ports
webcam
S/PDIF
mic
Ethernet
VGA & HDMI ports

"UK retailer Play.com has started taking pre-orders for the 1820PTZ, although the estimated ship date isn’t until January 25th, 2010. The laptop is going for £529.99 plus free shipping. That’s about $863 US"

click through the link above to see a bunch of pictures and a couple videos

course, you may want to ponder Wacom/N-Trig's Open Letter about many and varies customer complaints
http://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=response

[senso]

another interesting technology:

http://www.sensitiveobject.fr/spip.php

and the demo video here:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x40k8z ... sitiv_tech

[bjorn]

runagate: Aren't Wacom and N-trig two completely separate companies using different technology?

If n-trig hasn't recently updated their tech I believe it's 4-touch.

[multiphone]

Hello,

Here is a link for info (In french...) about the futher evolution of multitouch on apple computer.

http://www.igeneration.fr/rumeurs/un-re ... lette-9967

Truths or rumors?

Best

Hervé

[dsy]

Hello

I bought an Acer Aspire 5738PG laptop and I made some tests with Usine v4. It works well, I hope it will work too with Usine v5.

The 5738PG is not costly but it doesn't provide firewire or expresscard port. I use the internal sound card with Asio4all or a remote sound card (with Jack Audio).

[multiphone]

Hello,

Good or bad news for this new years ?

http://www.journaldugeek.com/2010/01/06 ... 10-doigts/

http://www.ubergizmo.com/fr/archives/20 ... _de_3m.php

Of course a very good news for the upcoming of Usine V5.

Best

Hervé.

[multiphone]

Hello (Again),

More info about the multitouch technology by 3M here:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/e ... multitouch

Best

Hervé.

[nay-seven]

thanks hervé !

buhh , 1499 dollars for the 19 '....

[runagate]

runagate: Aren't Wacom and N-trig two completely separate companies using different technology?

If n-trig hasn't recently updated their tech I believe it's 4-touch.

I... don't recall anymore. My brain is so over-stuffed with specs and unmemorizable version names.


Here's CES News of new multi-touch laptops... sadly, no true multi-touch standalone LCD monitors have been announced:

viliv S10 Blade features a 10.1” Multi-touch Screen with High Resolution(1366×768) and Swivel Display.



viliv S10 Blade : Convertible Multi-Touch Tablet

First 10″ Swivel, Multi-touch screen with Windows™ 7 OS applied mobility tablet PC
Extraordinarily long battery life and 2.67lbs weight for the best mobile computing experience
Enjoy the full capability of your favorite web apps anytime with integrated 3G HSPA

• Intel® Atom™ processor Z530 (1.6GHz) / Z550 (2.0GHz)

• Windows® 7 Home Premium

• 10.1″ HD LCD (1366 x 768, WXVGA) / Swivel / Multi-Touch

• SSD capacity: 32GB, 64GB, 128GB

1GB DDR2 SDRAM 533Mhz
• WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g

• Bluetooth 2.0+EDR

• HSPA/TD-SCDMA/EVDO/WiMAX Connectivity options

• Camera

• 2 USB Host, 1 USB Slave

• SDHC, Headphone-out, Mic, Stereo Speakers

• D-Sub, Multi I/O(Composite / Component / S-Video)

• Keyboard : 84keys total (Function 34keys)

• 10 hours max battery life (7 hour movie playback)

Dimensions: 260(W) x 185(L) x 17~26(H)mm / 10.23(W) x 7.28(L) x 0.67~1.02(H)inch
Weight: 1.21Kg / 2.67 pounds



NEW! Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t 10-inch Atom Multi-touch Capacitive Netbook Tablet



on sale there for $549 USD plus free shipping

10-inch Multi-touch Capacitive Netbook Tablet, the IdeaPad S10-3t. It features Intel Atom N450 / N470 processor, Windows 7, GMA 3150 graphics, 4-cell battery, 802.11n WiFi and 10.1-inch screen that can swivel 180 degrees and fold over to transform into a touch tablet. Available in Cosmic Wonder (06514EU) or Cosmetic Night (06514FU) design starting at $599 - $50 off = $549 plus FREE shipping.

Specs & features for Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t - 06514EU:
Intel Atom N450 1.66GHz; 1GB DDR2; GMA 3150; Windows 7 Starter Edition
160GB Hard Drive; 4-cell batteyr; 802.11n WiFi; 10.1" LED LCD with Multi-touch



HP tm2 Capacitive Multi-Touch Tablet]HP tm2 Capacitive Multi-Touch Tablet



available January 17th for $949

latest low-voltage Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processors and optional high multimedia performance ATI Mobility Radeon™ discrete graphics upgrades.(4) The tm2 also provides up to nine hours of battery life via the standard six-cell battery and includes a fingerprint reader as well as an advanced thermal design that helps keep the PC cool.(5)

New touch applications enhancing the tm2 experience include:

• BumpTop, a touch-enhanced 3-D interface for photos and documents that allows users to spatially organize and “toss” or share files and photos to social media sites or email.
• DigiFish Dolphin, an interactive 3-D screensaver that recreates an ocean environment to be experienced via touch or a mouse.
• Corel® Paint it! Touch, whichTM allows users to draw and paint or turn photos into paintings using fingertip


Ideapad U1 hybrid notebook tablet



The U1 is literally two separate devices, joined together and made to play nice. One is a multitouch tablet that runs Linux and has a speedily efficient Qualcomm ARM 1Ghz Snapdragon processor running the show. The other is a Windows 7 notebook with an Intel Core 2 Duo SU 4100 processor.

When the base and the slate are linked up, the latter acts as an 11.6-inch, 720p (1366x768) monitor that looked crisp despite being saddled with Intel's integrated graphics. The (non-chiclet) keyboard is based on the current lineup of IdeaPads, and both it and the touchpad worked smoothly. The U1 we saw wasn't set up to do much other than web browse, and pages loaded quickly. The notebook has built-in Wi-Fi, but can also run off of the tablet's 3G connection, which I can see being a pretty great benefit for times when wireless isn't readily accessible.

The fun part, though, is unclasping the tablet from its shell. It's firmly latched in, which is more reassuring than frustrating. Once removed from the notebook, there's a two or three second lag before the Snapdragon processor kicks in. It's not seamless, but it's close enough. $999 USD retail


HP Mini 5102



Particularly this new Atom N450-based Mini 5102, which is aimed at business and education use. You can tweak the 10-inch laptop with a WSVGA or WXGA screen, Broadcom HD video acceleration, and just about any OS you could think of: FreeDOS, SUSE Linux, Windows XP and Windows 7 (Starter and Home Premium). You can also squeeze a capacitive multitouch screen into the 0.9-inch form factor and take your pick from a 4-cell or 6-cell battery


Here's a fun rumor:
Microsoft to reveal HP built Courier slate tomorrow?

]

Tomorrow will see the launch of what could be Microsoft's next take on the Tablet PC right here at CES if the New York Times is correct. According to "people familiar with Microsoft's plans," Steve Ballmer will introduce an HP-built "slate-type computer" during the opening CES keynote. The rumored device is said to be a "multi-media whiz with e-reader and multi-touch functions" in tow that could be available by mid year.

Live From Steve Ballmer's 2010 keynote


Click here to see a video on Make Magazine of Augmented Reality gestures (in the air, as opposed to on a touchscreen) for touch-free qwerty keyboard typing...

Some of you may know that I'm working on a device for music that's to have both multi-touch and AR gestures, so this goes a long way in demonstrating it to those who don't get it.



ASUS Eee Keyboard



The latest official word is that it'll roll out sometime in February, and run between $499 and $599. No more last minute spec changes from the looks of it, which means you can expect the usual Atom N270 processor, 1GB of RAM, a 16GB SSD (upgradeable to 32GB), and a built-in battery that promises to last for four hours -- and, of course, that 5-inch touchscreen. Considering how long this thing has been floating about, however, we'll have to see this one for ourselves to fully believe it.

Previously it was stated that the 5" screen is capacitive and multi-touch.


Lastly, the one that excites me the most and I want it badly:

Light Touch: a 10-inch touchscreen pico projector based on lasers

Click through to see a demo video (animated, not of the unit in action, sadly)



LBO's product is a laser projector that turns any flat surface into an auto-focused and image-adjusted 10-inch touchscreen with WVGA resolution thanks to its laser- (not LED) based pico projection engine dubbed HLP (holographic laser projection) and infrared touch-sensing system. Light Touch runs Adobe Flash Lite 3.1 and includes WiFi and Bluetooth radios, 2GB of on-board storage (with microSD slot for up to 32GB more), and a battery capable of about 2-hours worth of runtime.

[multiphone]

Hello Nay-seven,

I hope the the price of 1490€ is only the price for the devloper display.

The M2256PW model should be cheap.

Best

Hervé.

[senso]

another interesting touch screen technology:

http://vimeo.com/8234698

I'm waiting for info from Yöyen Munchausen.

[nay-seven]

some news about Consumer Electronics Show (CES)
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/01/0 ... #more-8972

[multiphone]

Dear Usiner,

Some News about the 3M / 10 touch monitor.

http://www.hoaxbuster.com/hoaxliste/hoa ... icle=45332

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/3m-m ... ith-video/

Best

Hervé.

[nay-seven]

really reactive !!
and cheaper than lemur ...

ps : why the hoaxbuster link..?

[23fx23]

yup 3m seems a good challenger..

[gurulogic]

I would rather something smaller (and cheaper) but otherwise the 3m seems like a really nice multi-touch display.

[multiphone]

Hello,

I'm sorry for the wrong link.

This is the right one:

http://blog.bretagne-balades.org/index. ... CD-M2256PW

Best

Hervé.

[runagate]

Samsung announced three new all-in-one PCs with large LCD monitors today, two of which are "multi-touch"(no mention as to whether two-touch or what)

[quote=""akihabaranews.com""]MU200 (20” with HD level resolution) and the MU250 with its Full HD 23” monitor… Oh and yes, I almost forget about it, both the MU200 and MU250 features multi-touch monitors

Samsung MU200 : Intel Pentium T4400, 2GB of RAM, 320GB of HDD, GeForce G310 with 512MB of VRAM, DVD Super Multi, Windows 7 Home Premium

Samsung MU250 : Intel Core 2 Duo T6600, 3GB of RAM, 500GB of HDD, GeForce G310 with 512MB of VRAM, DVD Super Multi, Windows 7 Home Premium[/quote]
[ edit to add a picture and correct "LCD monitors" to all-in-one PCs with this type of LCD multi-touch monitor, which was pretty obvious but I just left that part of the sentence out ]

[img[http://www.liliputing.com/wp-content/up ... ng-aio.jpg[/img]

Sorry, all the pics I've seen look roughly like this.

[Plaf]

And the translate :
http://fr.akihabaranews.com/29393/deskt ... tout-en-un

[BassFacial]

Sorry to hijack the thread but I gotta post somewhere before I can ask my question.

[BassFacial]

The 3M 19" and the soon to be released 22" look great but the G3 system by PQ Labs could work well, I'm waiting for info on their OEM's:

http://multi-touch-screen.com/

[runagate]

iBuyPower Battalion Touch now available to order, starting at $999

iBuyPower announced its new Battalion Touch gaming laptop at the beginning of CES last week, but it's just now made the multitouch rig available to order, and finally revealed a price. As expected, there are a whole range of configuration options (including a $150 "Flame" add-on), but if you just want to get your hands on the first multitouch gaming laptop, you can snag a system for $999 that includes Core 2 Duo Mobile P8700 processor, 2GB of DDR3 RAM, a 250GB hard drive, and ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 graphics. Not quite enough for you? Then hit up the link below to check out some of the other upgrade options that can fully triple the base price.

I've no idea what kind of multi-touch screen it's got but it's notable as a laptop that, if you're rich, you can pimp out with a 3+Ghz dual-core CPU (inadequate, so far as I'm concerned), 8GB of RAM and a 160GB SSD... I'd almost be impressed if it at least had an i5 processor as many laptops now do.

Still... why no good multi-touch displays. I really can't comprehend why multi-touch has got to be on a mobile piece of hardware from which it can't be separated. I need my i7 and multi-touch. Though my own homebrew solution may end up getting me there before anything off-the-shelf does.

[senso]

a multi-touch kit. No price yet but probably expensive (32' minimum...)



http://multi-touch-screen.com/store.html

thanks to Hervé @multiphonie

[multiphone]

Hello Senso,

Yes your unfortunately right !

I have the pricing list from PQ Labs and...

The 32" version with 32 touch point multiclient cost 3100 USD.

Best

Hervé.

[runagate]

Looks like Fujitsu is finally getting around to releasing their multi-touch tablet... ableit in Japan:

Fujitsu 5.6" multi-touch UH900

[23fx23]

ouch 3100$ for 32" kit is very expensive, I hoped to see some 15-17 kit less than 400 euros, have to wait again...

that technology is still expensive and it has locked my decision more after a portable screen that would allow evolutive behind pc running. it's very sad that no laptop screen can be feed by other input than the laptop it relies to, i always dreamt about a Dvi-in..
Does anybody knows if it's possible (not via network) to convert external in to laptop Lcd? i guess not
still no 12-15-17" portable true multitouch, arf...

[23fx23]

january might be the month of 2 essentials products in multitouch history: usineV5 and the mactablet/islate whatever
"bigger iphone hope we can boot w7-usine on it" should be announced on 27th january and usine V5 near that date too?:)

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/30892/a ... tes-arrive

and, oh never know of fakes but these specs seem descent, pc compatible? note other rumors speak about unix Iphone Os, soo...
not the same, so wait answer maybe on 27. cause really looks like a fake


still in rumors, expected price 800-1000 $ for true 7-10" multitouch display, with those spec, is high,
but find it descent seeing stantum prices, it's not an atom but a true core2, and we can expect pefect design apple used us too
(iwas originally anti mac, and still runing windows but must admit mac hw/software is few years in advance)
if true this can be converted to an usine powered lemur i won't be able to resist..

now cross finger it won't be a locked itunes/ibizness device. format, W7 usinemainV5.exe!

[Clearscreen]

if true this can be converted to an usine powered lemur i won't be able to resist..

now cross finger it won't be a locked itunes/ibizness device. format, W7 usinemainV5.exe!

It does seem like a lemur killer doesn't it - no wonder they got in to military stuff instead!

[senso]

interesting but only 7' diagonal...

[23fx23]

in fact rumors speaks more about 10", some says first units in 7, later in 10. others directly 10".
that's all rumors, have to wait... i agree 7 is to small. i would be ok for 10", portable, and build some tabz in, usine..
wait again..

[runagate]

Speaking of the Lemur, here's the video from Engadget of the Stantum "Slate" (Hacked together Stantum screen plus HP Mini(

http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/292/

I am really sick of these companies not just simply selling us touchscreens.
I personally would like the vastly cheaper, and better so far as I can tell, Synaptics pressure-sensitive multi-touch LCD, but the only thing I can find it on is an expensive laptop that's not even sold around here.

by the way, ya'll see the touchscreen-triggered MIDI "guitar"?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/18/misa ... the-noise/

It's like the first baby step in what I'm working on, and I'm so glad someone else saw how having 3 dimensions of control under one's hand (X/Y & pressure) was the most next step in the evolution of musical interfaces.

[blacker]

anyone tell me more keyboard shortcuts for usine ?

much thanks.

[runagate]

Dell Studio 17 is on sale in the US today, $899

http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/skype-unl ... 11809.aspx

Dell Studio 17 Multi Touch Laptop starting at $1033 - $134 off = $899 + $12.95 shipping. Equipped with 17.3-inch (900p) LED Display with Multi-touch and web camera. Fully customizable to your liking. Base model comes with Windows 7 Premium 64-bit, slot-load DVD burner, 3GB RAM, 2.1GHz Dual-Core, WiFi and more.

[nay-seven]

ipad by apple , 19 h , french hour...

[gurulogic]

I doubt we're ever going to see Usine or Windows running on an ipad...Extremely unlikely but the only way we would get anywhere close is if Senso made a dedicated apple app that directly comunicated with Usine as a remote interface option.
Wicked potential as multi touch OSC controller but why bother for Usine when you can do so much more with Usine running on a multi touch PC?
Plus it's just way too expensive (imo) for an Apple branded netbook or "giant iphone"...

http://www.itabletnow.com/ for some consolidated info.

[BassFacial]

^^^ I agree, it's not even running OSX. I was expecting a macbook in slate mode and this offering is just a disappointment though I'm sure it will be received with great acclaim by the 75% of the population who's computer use is limited to facebook, youtube, and twitter.

Is anyone out there running Usine on an XT2 in Win7? I've been considering it but the ULV core2 1.6 and 4500 GMA worry me and I've also read several reviews which comment on laggy touch response. Someone needs to release a tablet with a beefy processor and GPU.

[23fx23]

pwa yup i m so disapointed, the bad "logic" scenario happen just a ::;;; locked bigger iphone ;;:!,-ibiz
pffff

[23fx23]

http://www.tactyl-services.com
http://www.lumio.com

lumio scalable layers (optical) have nice specs, single, dual or 8 finger multitouch ,a 0.5mm average prec and 5-10 ms report latency.

Touch Method Finger, Glove, Stylus or any other pointer
Touch Activation No Pressure required
Touch Durability Unlimited
Touch Accuracy 0.3mm to 2mm, 0.5mm typical*
Resolution 12 Million Points over the touch area
Frame Rate 100fps
Reporting rate 5-10 m
s

av and prices for single customer? need to phone them..

[Clearscreen]

lumio scalable layers (optical) have nice specs, single, dual or 8 finger multitouch ,a 0.5mm average prec and 5-10 ms report latency.

WOW - that Lumio stuff looks pretty interesting!

[23fx23]

yup but im affraid that's for industrial only, will try to call them this week...

another slate pc coming in march:


http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/31/8-9- ... s-windows/

all those coming slate fashion pc could be nice remotes, i would still prefer a 10-12" monitor.
it's the big dilem of choice slates, netbook, laptop, big lcd screen, wait layerz? remote double patch/all in one/portable?
resist resist , wait the good challenger arf

[pridrico]

The is the http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/21/hp-u ... h-monitor/ that seems cheap but limited....
I personnaly prefer a monitor than a laptop. I already have a macbook pro and don't really need other lapto but just an only for Usine PC with touchscreen. So a good 15 inch multitouchscreen with a small computer should be great enoug. But there isn't that much intersting products...

[runagate]

UH900Fujitsu LifeBook UH900 available in US for $849 with extras ($150 off normal price)

With absolutely no fanfare whatsoever,Fujitsu America has added the LifeBook UH900 mini notebook to its website and online store.

Unlike its higher priced Japanese counterpart, the LOOX U/G90, the 5.6" multitouch-screened UH900 is available in just a single configuration that includes a 1.6GHz Intel Atom Z530 processor, 2GB of RAM, 62GB SSD, Windows 7 Home Premium, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth, and GPS. Carrying an MSRP of $999, the 1.1-pound computer is currently being offered as part of a special that gets buyers $150 off with a coupon code and mail-in rebate, free shipping, and either a 160GB Edge DiskGo portable hard drive or a Lexmark X2670 all-in-one printer.

Though more expensive than other UMPCs/MIDs on the market right now, $849 for a very nicely spec'd handheld PC from Fujitsu with those extras is still a good deal.

LifeBook UH900 Mini-Notebook



• Intel® Atom™ Processor Z530
• Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
• Microsoft® Works 9.0 and Office Home and Student 60-Day Trial1
• 5.6" WXGA Crystal View display with a multi-touch screen
• Integrated Webcam
• 2 GB DDR2 533 MHz SDRAM memory (2 GB x 1)
• 62 GB, solid state drive2
• Built-in GPS receiver with Garmin Mobile® PC
• 10/100 Ethernet (with included cable)
• Atheros® (802.11b/g/n)
• Integrated Bluetooth wireless
• Main battery: Lithium ion (2-cell polymer, 7.2V, 1800 mAh)
• One-year International Limited Warranty
• ENERGY STAR® qualified

Unfortunately, that CPU is weak junk.



I've saved up a TON more links to new or upcoming, albeit obscure, multi-touch Windows 7 devices but I'll have to sort them out when it's not 5am

[23fx23]

thanks for the cpu comparaison, indeed atom is slow, still enough as a remote maybe....

[Clearscreen]

Hey Runagate, just wanted to say thanks for keeping up with all this - I know you're saving me from doing a lot of web trawling!!
Your efforts are much appreciated!! As are those of all you guys contributing regularly here

[runagate]

Hey Runagate, just wanted to say thanks for keeping up with all this - I know you're saving me from doing a lot of web trawling!!
Your efforts are much appreciated!! As are those of all you guys contributing regularly here

I post to this thread more regularly than my own blog, which has about a 300 article backlog here at runagate labs

We, of all people, actually need this technology and, in fact, will be the ones that give it a purpose.

I've read many articles about how "multi-touch just isn't necessary"

Well, we know damned well who it's necessary to!

Here's one hot off the presses, from Wired.

In many ways it's what I've been looking for all this time, not least of which is when designing something there's a trade-off
between making a display multi-touch so we get the visual feedback that something like a MIDI control surface doesn't give
(and which is sorely lacking) and a non-display touch surface which has many other strengths and drawbacks... such as
a "guitar neck" that's touch-enabled, someplace that's good to perform on in a place that's difficult to view.

With this, the "skin" could simply extand over both display and non-display areas.

I'll let you know what they make of my OEM proposal, but mind you I'm not a real company, I'm a normal, impecunious
musicians sitting at home

It's said to be 16-point touch capable and - wonder of wonders incorporating another extremely important axis of musical
expressive control - it senses being blown on (!?)



Gadget Lab Hardware News and Reviews Thin Film Turns Any Surface Into a Touchscreen

[ethnix73]

Yes, thanks for all the information you give us runagate!

[nay-seven]

i join this "thanks group" too runagate...

[23fx23]

Windows 7, mean usine on ipad?


http://community.citrix.com/pages/viewp ... =115343605


seems like kind of vnc, vow if it can send multitouch data to host and receive video feedback, that would be great no?

[runagate]

My Francophone friends will probably be excited by this news from Engadget:

Windows 7 on an Atom N270 at 1.6GHz, with 2GB of DDR2 memory and a 32GB SSD with SD expansion. Yeah, those specs are familiar too, and while we're not thinking this will deliver the sort of snappy performance seen on the iPad, it will certainly be a lot more functional. Battery life is only four hours, but at least it's user-replaceable, and a price of $599 matches the 32GB iPad. Likewise it will be available in March -- or you can get a non-multitouch prototype for $780 right this very moment. If, that is, you speak enough French to manage the order page...

...there's not much in terms of the externals here, it looks to be a solidly built tablet, and it does appear to have a free SIM slot on its edge. We're itching to see some more pics of the final multitouch units, including the finger-friendly ExoPC UI Layer which will run on top of its Windows 7 Premium...

...Twenty four hours after exposing the 8.9-inch tablet's internals to the world, the guys at ExoPC decided that the Intel Atom-powered slate was ready for its video debut. You can watch the Win 7 Premium tablet in action after the break, but we do have to say that the "low-pressure resistive" touchscreen seems responsive enough for making selections and scrolling through your favorite technology website. And surprisingly, the viewing angles on the screen appear pretty decent. Still no sign of the touch-friendly software layer, but ExoPC assures us that will be shipping with the final units. Enough of the play-by-play from us -- hit the break and see it all for yourself.

Click through on the engadget link to see a video of it in action. It's the single-touch version, not yet the multi-touch

[runagate]

Netboook Navigator's Nav 9

Netbook Navigator has updated the pricing for the Nav 9 tablet and the base model costs just $799. Yeah, that’s still enough money to pick up 2-3 netbooks, but here’s what you get for the money:

•Display: 8.9 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel multitouch display
•CPU: 1.6GHz Intel Atom N270 CPU
•Graphics: Intel GMA 950
•Storage: 16GB SSD
•RAM: 2GB
•OS: Windows 7 Home Premium
•Connectivity: 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth, LAN, optional 3G HSDPA or CDMA
•I/O: 3 USB ports, MiniSD card slot, SIM card slot, port replicator w/VGA/LAN adapter, 1.3MP webcam
•Battery: 3 cell, 1700mAh (2.5 hours max)
•Dimensions: 10″ x 6.6″ x 0.8″
•Weight: 2 pounds
•Other: car charger
The 3G module will cost you extra, as will a higher capacity battery which is good for up to 4 hours of run time. You can also get the Nav 9 with a 32GB, 64GB, or 128GB SSD. The most expensive unit will run you $1399, but the $799 starting price is certainly much more appealing than the $1200 the company was charging earlier.

Netbook Navigator has also put together a handy chart comparing the Nav 9 tablet to the upcoming Apple iPad and the already-on-the-market Archos 9 tablet. The long and short of it is that the Nav 9 supports multitasking, supports USB peripherals and SD card expansion, and comes in more varieties. Oh yeah, it can also run most Windows applications. On the other hand, it’s thicker and heavier than the other tablets.

[BassFacial]

What's up with the music in the video for the ExoPC? I was expecting the tablet to morph in to a zombie and feast on the user's brains. Also, what's up with all these manufacturers' fixation on 8.9" screens and Atom processors?

[runagate]

Acer Aspire 1420P touchscreen tablet now available in France

The Acer Aspire 1420P is a tablet-style laptop with an 11.6 inch, 1366 x 768 pixel touchscreen display that you can fold down over the keyboard for use in slate mode. While this form factor has been around for years, we’re just starting to see budget versions pop up. Yesterday I pointed out a handful of 10 inch netbook/tablets with Intel Atom processors. The Aspire 1420P is a little bit larger and significantly more powerful thanks to its dual core Intel Celeron SU2300 CULV processor and integrated GMA 4500MHD graphics.

The laptop isn’t available in the US yet, but Blogeee noticed that French retailer Rue du Commercis is taking orders for the laptop. It’s priced at 499 Euros, which is about $688 US. But that price will likely be much lower if and when the Acer Aspire 1420P is released in the States.

The 1420p has a 6 cell, 62Whr battery which Acer says should be good for 6 to 8 hours of run time. The laptop has 3GB of RAM, a 250GB hard drive, HDMI and VGA outputs, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth, and an SD card reader. It runs Windows 7 Home Premium.

If you want a multi-touch netbook this one, with a dual core Intel Celeron SU2300 CULV, seems to me the only way to go right now. It's not too expensive and you can stick a Bluetooth dongle in there and run OSC wirelessly to your actual Usine DAW PC/VST hosting computer that's not a P.O.S.

[nay-seven]

thanks runagate ,it's effectively a good news
but it's dual touch , or reel multitouch..?
always difficult to know....

[runagate]

thanks runagate ,it's effectively a good news
but it's dual touch , or reel multitouch..?
always difficult to know....

I'm certain that one's dual-touch.

Whereas the new Asus Eee PC... I forgot the model number, I'll look it up today... appears to be dual-touch but at least it's pressure sensitive, judging from the demo video they're showing with it. The difference is essentially that it's the new energy-efficient Atom processor; it's not any faster.

Here's a new one:

Toshiba Adds A Touchscreen Display To The U500-1EX Laptop

nice specs (4GB of DDR3 RAM, 320GB HDD) for its low price.

At 13.3-inches, the Windows 7 machine has a neat-sounding LifeSpace app from Toshiba, which allows for thumbnail shortcuts on a bulletin board, and a faster way of searching for files with ReelTime.

Internally, it's running on an Intel Core i3-330 processor, 4GB of DDR3 RAM and has the option to upgrade the HDD to 320GB. Bluetooth, two USB ports, HD webcam and mic, the display is a TFT WXGA TruBrite with 1,280 x 800 pixels and altogether, it weighs 2.15kg.

Nothing but UK pricing has been confirmed, but if it's £649 there, a direct conversion would have it at $1,014, but I doubt it'll be that much in the States. [Toshiba release]

UPDATE: It appears to be on sale for $999 at MicroCenter

It's crazy that it's refered to throughout as "touchscreen" but I had to search to the end of the .pdf to find that it's "multi-touch enabled"... no idea if that's real multi-touch or not. I think there should be a freakin' law that says advertisers must state the technology used (optical/IR, capacitive, etc.) and the number of touchpoints supported.

My little device here at home seems to finally be up to 10 touchpoints, so that's reassuring. I'm working at integrating it with Usine, but it's an uphill battle given my particular non-coder skillset. I'll have to await my partner Armz, the actual programmer, to have free time this weekend.

[runagate]

Here's the Asus Eee PC I was talking about

Asus Eee PC T101MT 10 inch tablet up for pre-order… in Germany

The first 10 inch netbook with a touchscreen display from Asus is inching closer to general availability. Asus first showed off a 10 inch tablet-style netbook with a display that could be folded down over the keyboard for use in slate mode at CES in January, 2009. Over the past year the company has spruced up the specs a bit, giving the netbook an Intel Atom N450 Pine Trail processor, 2GB of RAM, 320GB hard drive, and Windows 7 Home Premium. But you still can’t actually buy one yet.

Amazon’s German site, however, is taking pre-orders for the Eee PC T101MT for 499 Euros. That comes to about $687 US, although the price will likely be much closer to $500 by the time the laptop is available in the States.

It’s also worth pointing out that Amazon Germany claims the Eee PC T101MT has a 12.1 inch display, which I’m pretty certain is wrong, since the model I saw at CES last month was definitely a 10 inch tablet.

[runagate]

They're coming fast and furious today:

Lenovo C315 All-In-One Has Touchscreen Powers For Only $650

Today Lenovo unveiled their C315 touchscreen all-in-one desktop. It may not be the peppiest system on the market, but $650 for a 20-inch touchscreen AIO PC sounds pretty good to me.

Full specs aren't available yet, but we do know that the C315 houses an AMD Althon CPU, 4GB of memory, and ATI Mobility Radeon graphics. It also gets Lenovo's suite of multimedia apps like PowerCinema and AutoCollage on top of pre-installed Windows 7. It'll be available in the US beginning in April.

The new Lenovo C315 allows consumers to enjoy videos, music and games without sacrificing computing power and ease-of-use. The C315 comes with a large 20-inch, High-Definition 16:9 widescreen display and NaturalTouch touch screen technology, making it a great addition to any room in the home. With AMD Athlon™ dual core processors, 4GB of memory and ATI Mobility Radeon™ graphics, C315 offers dependable performance in a compact and stylish design. The C315 also features Lenovo IdeaTouch - a suite of touch-optimized multimedia applications, which includes PowerCinema,

[nay-seven]

ok , thanks runagate !
news are good and we can be optimistic !
just resist and wait a little more...

[23fx23]

yes everybody will launch in march to follow the ipad launch i guess, I try to wait also march-june, the rumored asus eee-pad could
also be an ipad killer, supposed to come in june, but still no true multitouch cool lcd, wtf?

[runagate]

Wacom Cintiq 21UX multitouch tablet caught in the wilderness of a live presentation

Oh you're tired of tablets, are you? Pray tell, how many multitouch 21.3-inch tablets have you seen so far then? A prototype of Wacom's update to the ultra-high end 21UX has been shown off at a recent CAD presentation, so we figured we might as well take a look at the thing -- given its predecessor's $2,999 starting price, we're unlikely to be buying one any time soon. So dive past the break for a glimpse -- just a glimpse -- of the new multitouch goodness taking place. After you're done with that, you can check out the source link for more pictures of what's sure to be the new state of the art in graphics tablets.

YouTube video of the Cintiq 21UX

[runagate]

Channel 9 has a revised multi-touch Windows devices list which, of course, doesn't include much of the above:

OEM
Model
Platform
Form Factor
Technology

Acer
Aspire AS5738PG
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

Acer
Aspire Z5610
Desktop
AIO
Optical

Acer
1420P
Notebook
Tablet
Resistive

Asus
Eee PC T91
Netbook
Netbook
Resistive

Dell
SX2210T
Display
Monitor
Optical

Dell
Latitude XT
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Dell
Latitude XT2
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Dell
Studio One 19
Desktop
AIO
Optical

Dell
Studio 17
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

Fujitsu
Lifebook T4310
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu
Lifebook T4410
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu
LifeBook 5010
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu
DeskPower F Series
Desktop
AIO
Optical

Fujitsu
T900
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Fujitsu
LifeBook UH900
Notebook
Netbook
?

Gateway
Gateway One ZX4800
Desktop
AIO
Optical

HP
TouchSmart 600t
Desktop
AIO
Optical

HP
TouchSmart 300z
Desktop
AIO
Optical

HP
TouchSmart TX2
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

HP
TouchSmart dx9100
Desktop
AIO
Optical

HP
DV3
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

HP
TM2
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

HP
5102
Notebook
Netbook
Capacitive

HP
L2105tm
Display
Monitor
Optical

HP
L5009tm
Display
Monitor
Optical

Lenovo
ThinkPad X200
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Lenovo
ThinkPad T400
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

Lenovo
IdeaPad S10-3t
Notebook
Tablet
Capacitive

Lenovo
C310
Desktop
AIO
Optical

Medion
X9613
Desktop
AIO
Optical

MSI
AE2220
Desktop
AIO
Optical

Positivo
Union Touch 2200
Desktop
AIO
Optical

Sony
VAIO L
Desktop
AIO
Optical

Toshiba
Satellite U505
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

Toshiba
Satellite M505
Notebook
Clamshell
Capacitive

[23fx23]

another nice summup with clear touch technologies: 2, 10 resistive capacitive ect..

http://gestureworks.com/about/supported-hardware/
also they are wrong on several things, i doubt stantum use ntrig capacitive system

but this seems very cool, in french, IR multitouch overlay layers :

http://web.lerelaisinternet.com/dynamic ... TOUCH.html

[nay-seven]

Thanks 23fx ! i've contact the last one !
and also 3M for the 22'...

[nay-seven]

buhh , sadly the overlay kit are only dual touch...but will phone them this evening for price anyway..

[23fx23]

oh ok sad, still can be interesting if cool prices..

[runagate]

Speaking of number of touchpoints, the upcoming Windows Mobile OS has more stringent requirements:

7. Hardware Spec Requirements
Unlike with past Windows Phones, there is less leeway when it comes to the specifications required to run the OS. This time, Microsoft is a bit stricter, requiring a specific CPU and speed, screen aspect ratio and resolution, memory, a capacitive, multitouch screen with at least four points of touch, accelerometer, 5-megapixel camera and even button configuration.

This excites me as the software I'm making to replace MIDI requires better CPUs, multitouch and accelerometer. Considering how wimpy most of the machines with true multi-touch are right now I'm simply regarding the gestural/accelerometer device as a wireless UI control surface separate from the plug-in hosting computer.

[runagate]

MSI converges everything with 24-inch 3D HD Wind Top all-in-one

Now here's a spec sheet maven's dream: MSI has just announced its new Wind Top all-in-ones, and the top model brings every modern spec you can think of. Full HD resolution, 3D capabilities with 120Hz refresh rates, Intel processors up to Core i7, and even multitouch adorn its list of goodies. The new flagships will be known as the Wind Top AE2420 in the 24-incher category and AE2280 in the 22-inch class. They're joined by a selection of high-efficiency machines, such as the AP1920 and AE1920, which promise to cut down the electricity bills for "environmentally-minded business users." That's still hardly scratching the surface, though, as MSI is really preparing a small army of AIOs to display at CeBIT, and you can bet the house we'll be there to touch and ogle at their latest and greatest.

Lenovo Unveils X201T Tablet Refresh

We all knew a refresh of the Lenovo X200 Tablet line was coming and now we have the confirmation. Along with other ThinkPads, Lenovo has unveiled info on the Lenovo X201T Tablet PC. Yes, it will look very familiar on the outside to the X200T, with the notable exception of adding a touchpad. Don’t worry thumbstick fans, the thumbstick is still there, but now there are options. The screen features a capacitive touch layer and an active digitizer to handle both two-fingered touch and pen input. On the inside the processor has been bumped to the Intel low voltage Core i7 CPU and as usual you’ve got ordering options as to clock speeds as well as other options. There are options with an outdoor viewable screen as well. Lenovo is a still a leader in Tablet PCs and there are inklings that they are working on something special on the Tablet front that may or may not be the UI Hybrid. In the meantime, I’m guessing ThinkPad Tablet fans will be quite pleased with the update.

Lenovo has also upgraded the X201, X201s, the W701, and W701ds as well.

LG's in-cell multitouch laptop displays get unveiled, certified with Windows 7 Touch Logo (video)

Want evidence for the old saying that there's always something next to wait around for with technology? We've only just reviewed the most bodacious X200 Tablet from Lenovo, yet already there's a capacitive multitouch display that promises to be that little bit better. LG's in-cell multitouch technology places the touchy-feely parts inside -- rather than as a film on top of -- the LCD panel, which we're told eliminates the loss of picture quality and brightness that regular multitouch results in. It only works with two fingers so far, but LG is still pretty pleased with itself for being the first to gain the Windows 7 Touch Logo sticker with this technology, which was previously limited to cellphone-sized displays. Mass production is set for the second half of this year, and we'll go ahead and assume that local nemesis Samsung will be using every moment until then to offer its own competing models. Bring on the marginally better touchscreens! We've now got a video for you as well, you know where to find it.

Toshiba Portege M780 marries Core i7 with tablet ergonomics, goes official

What would we ever do without our eagle-eyed readers? Bob has spotted the above M780 tablet PC from Toshiba (which we first heard of a couple of weeks ago) on the company's official site, though its product page has yet to be linked to from any of the home pages. So it's official, but sort of prematurely so. Browsing through the spec sheet, this update to the M750 seems to lack for nothing, as its maxed out variant (priced at $1,799) offers a 2.66GHz Core i7-620M, 4GB of DDR3 RAM and a 7200RPM 320GB hard drive.

[runagate]

Pocketables has a series of photos of their unboxing of the Fujitsu uh900 UMPC

http://www.pocketables.net/2010/02/unbo ... -ug90.html

I read $849, but the jkOnTheRun link I followed from Google was a phishing attack, so don't go there.

[ edit - for clarification, jkOnTheRun isn't a phishing site... I don't know what's happening at that link, but it's infected ]

[gurulogic]

Ok, I need a touch screen bad and I don't know if I have the patience to wait for true multi touch so I am thinking if I can find a cheap enough and small enough dual touch I will buy it to get me through for now.

Without reading this whole thread ,can anyone suggest an affordable dual touch display, absolutely no larger than 17"? I would prefer smaller but that is probably going to be impossible!

Or did I miss any commercially available, affordable multi-touch displays in previous posts?

[23fx23]

sadly it seems there is not really a cool multi touch under 20 inches that is not a tablet pc except a totally overpriced 800x600 stantum mdk 12'.
current avaible "cheap " dual touch are packard bell, iiyama or acer. 20-23"

[gurulogic]

I was just daydreaming about a glove that would make any screen muti touch by using some sort of electronic transmitters in the fingertips that would broadcast distance information to four sensor strips placed at each edge of the screen, which would be calibrated as accurate position information for each finger. Kind of like the wiimote hack but obviously for full contact multi touch.
Am I giving up a millon dollar idea or am I just crazy?

[runagate]

I was just daydreaming about a glove that would make any screen muti touch by using some sort of electronic transmitters in the fingertips that would broadcast distance information to four sensor strips placed at each edge of the screen, which would be calibrated as accurate position information for each finger. Kind of like the wiimote hack but obviously for full contact multi touch.
Am I giving up a millon dollar idea or am I just crazy?

Bizarrely that's been tried, done, and largely rejected due to "consumers" not wanting to have to put on a glove to do multi-touch.
I, personally, would love pretty much anything that actually worked.

I even tried to combine my old p5 dataglove's output stream to do something similar but hardware is really not my speciality

[23fx23]

i ve tried the wiimote hack in usine with only one ir led on finger you probably saw it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPWKYfTAM7s

ive been suprised by the quasi no latency response time. far less sexy than a true multiouch screen, but well for 40 dollars it can be adapted for any screen..
i need to install w7 and a special driver, but in theory that can work with up to 4 fingers...
that can be a cheap "waiting" alternative...

[runagate]

3M Display M2256PW true 10-touchpoint 22″ LCD Monitor to ship in late March/early April

[runagate]

Here's a nice review of the Toshiba Satellite Pro U500 from mobiletechreview

Thanks to the launch of Windows 7 and its support for multi-touch, notebooks with multi-touch screens have proliferated in recent months. While most of these notebooks don’t come in a convertible tablet form, they nonetheless offer a new way of interacting with Windows. The Toshiba Satellite Pro U500 with multi-touch screen aims to give us that new touch experience at a relatively low price. The Satellite Pro U500 series has a 13.3 inch display with multi-touch screen as an option running the N-Trig MultiTouch digitizer that supports both stylus (non-EMR and also not included) and touch input at 2 points. It does not have an active digitizer plus touch screen like the HP TouchSmart Txz. The U500-EZ1311 runs on the 2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T6670 processor with 3 gigs of RAM and a 250 gig hard drive. The Satellite U500 has a built-in DVD SuperMulti drive and Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD integrated graphics. The Satellite U500 has a textured surface and comes in Luxe Brown. What's the difference between the Satellite U500 and the Satellite Pro U500? The Pro has the touch screen.

[23fx23]

so, awaiting 3m, sad there is not a smaller version.

[runagate]

Here's another great feature of the 3M M2256PW multi-touch monitor that anyone who wishes to use it as a control surface will appreciate:

[23fx23]

yes that's hot !

[nay-seven]

[La Tenaille]

[gurulogic]

Emulating multi-touch device for Windows 7

http://geekswithblogs.net/kobush/archiv ... 29993.aspx

[Clearscreen]

Emulating multi-touch device for Windows 7

http://geekswithblogs.net/kobush/archiv ... 29993.aspx

We should be able to build this directly in Usine with the light/dark area detection stuff in Usine's video capture module shouldn't we?

[gurulogic]

But Usine wouldn't be able to interact with windows at a driver level, would it?
lol, I can see it now...printing a thin outline picture of my Usine interface onto tracing paper to control Usine with.
Cheapest multi touch!

[runagate]

HP adds EliteBook 2540p and 2740p

An update to the 2530p, the 3.8-pound 2540p still has the same magnesium alloy chassis that's met all those super-tough MIL-STD 810G military standard tests, but its innards have been freshened up with the alluring scent of Intel's 2010 Core processors. Prices start at $1,099, but in typical HP fashion it will be configurable online with tons of juicy options, including standard and low voltage Core i5 and i7 processors and a range of 7,200RPM and SSD drives.

Up next is the 2740p which packs much of the same internal spec options as the 2540p (sans the low-voltage CPUs), but puts them into a convertible tablet form factor. Starting at $1,599, its capacitive multitouch 12.1-inch display now supports both pen and finger input and thus pits it head-to-head with Lenovo's ThinkPad X201t, though from our hands-on we found the 3.8-pound 2740p to be much slimmer and lighter. A lot of that has to do with its flush battery, but if adding some juice (and thickness) is your thing, you can add a slate battery (or two!) to the bottom of the system. Both the 2540p and 2740p will be available later this month, but hit the hands-on gallery below to get a look at these magnesium puppies up close.

[runagate]

[url-=http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/01/stud ... h-core-i5/]Studio 1558 Touch[/url]

Well looky here: an unannounced Studio Touch laptop making its debut on page 5 of Dell's on-line catalog. The Studio 1558 Touch is flanked by the multitouch Studio 17 Touch. You won't find any details about the 1558 on Dell's website or retail channels so what you see above is what you get: Core i5 processor underpinning a Windows 7 Home Premium OS and 320GB hard disk for a $999 starting price. Expect this one to get official soon enough.

[runagate]

EviGroup's Paddle

10-inch keyboard-free tablet with netbook internals, but this one gets a swankier LED-backlit multitouch display along with SSD storage -- though a paltry 32GB max on flash is hardly an upgrade over the 320GB you can get on platters. Also new is an optional WiFi antenna to boost range and a new layer over Windows 7 called Scale that looks a little like being trapped on the inside of a paddlewheel of content (video below). How much would you pay for such decidedly evolutionary steps? For eviGroup's sake hopefully your number is somewhere around €699 ($945), because that's the MSRP when it starts shipping this summer -- a rather steep increase over the (already pricey) €500 Pad.

[Clearscreen]

But Usine wouldn't be able to interact with windows at a driver level, would it?
lol, I can see it now...printing a thin outline picture of my Usine interface onto tracing paper to control Usine with.
Cheapest multi touch!

Why would it need to talk to drivers? Wouldn't the detection be enough? Use coordinates detected by Usine, dissect it into certain ranges/areas and there's your controls... If you wanted to you can send that info on using the Mouse module I guess, but not sure you'd need to. If you can calibrate the detection well enough I don't see why you couldn't use your tracing paper setup...

[gurulogic]

Why would it need to talk to drivers? Wouldn't the detection be enough? Use coordinates detected by Usine, dissect it into certain ranges/areas and there's your controls...

I haven't even had the chance to try the video input yet, but by looking at the module you get X amount of parameters input to map wherever you want in Usine, so yeah I see what you are saying, you could turn the right surface into a "multi touch" controller for Usine. I don't think though that the module could give full multipoint XY with contact sense anywhere in the interface you want without pre mapping?
I see that in this function,and without driver level control, the idea would be more similar to a midi controller where you pre map which motions will have which result. Am I wrong?
Anyways, this may be getting a little off topic now...

[Clearscreen]

Ah - I think I see what you mean...

[runagate]

Panasonic Toughbook C1 Core i5 'world's lightest' 12.1-inch convertible tablet full support for digitizers and multitouch $2500 USD

Panasonic has today outed what it's calling the planet's lightest 12.1-inch convertible tablet PC, with the Toughbook C1 offering the line's iconic rigidity while boasting 10 hours of battery life, an optional Gobi 2000 mobile broadband module and Intel's decidedly potent 2.4GHz Core i5-520 processor. All told, the device weighs just 3.2 pounds with a single battery (3.7 pounds with twins), and there's full support for digitizers and multitouch. Other specs include a shock-mounted, flex-connect 250GB hard drive, 802.11a/b/g/n WiFi, up to 8GB of DDR3 memory, a WXGA (1,280 x 800) LED-backlit panel, a triple hinge design and the ability to survive a 30-inch plummet. It's available to (quite literally) smash iPads starting this June, though that $2,499 starting price may be somewhat off-putting to those without copious amounts of disposable income.

Choice of two 12.1" WXGA (1280 x 800) displays with LED backlighting
o Multi-touch + digitizer screen allowing input via finger, gestures and electronic stylus
pen
o Gloved multi-touch screen allowing input via finger and gestures (available Fall 2010)

Is this going to actually be a true-multitouch device? Ah, I can't believe no one is adopting this technology the right way, nor implementing anything especially usefull... well, except perhaps, of all people, Microsoft:

Microsoft Makes Surface Portable By Turning It Upside-Down

Surface tables are just cameras and projectors pointing upward at a tabletop of glass. Since both of those mechanisms have become totally portable, Microsoft Research conceived of a prototype that is, effectively, portable. The advantage, beyond mobility, is that the camera can read depth in free space, so it can do 3D activities, almost like a baby Natal.

Here, in this functional proof-of-concept, you can see a drums app, where both hand interaction and stick interaction are measured when your hands are between the camera and the projection. (On a regular Surface, you'd have to touch the screen to interact.)

Check out the YouTube video of the MS Researcher playing drums with 3D gestures in the air. I'm pretty jealous as I'm trying to implement the same thing here at home, sans a giant corporation's budget and personnel. Course, I don't have any visionless higher-ups to torpedo my project

[runagate]

I have a couple new blog posts about 4 multi-touch mobile PCs.

Epic review of the tiny, dual-touch Fujitsu LifeBook UH900 (LOOX U/G90) from Pocketables.com

and this

Sascha Pallenberg at Netbooknews.com compares the Gigabyte T1000, Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t, and Viliv S10 Blade and the three-touch Blade wins, with video

My synopsis:

The Viliv S10 Blade is triple-touch resistive and better than the T1000 and S10-3t in various other ways, too.

Whereas the UH900 is expensive, tiny, and surprisinly usable despite being basically iPhone-sized with an attached keyboard, but the graphics oomph isn't enough to support multi-touch.

Nor was it for the S10.

But they might be just fine with Aero and other Win7 window-dressing turned off, and we musicians are used to that already, right?

So the Viliv appreas to be the best of the bunch in multi-touch for price vs. features... at least it actually has 3 touchpoint recognition!

Not that I'll be getting any of the above.

[HighTunes]

Too many choices!

I found this one as well:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho ... 78805.html

Anyone got any reviews who tested how it runs yet?

Edit: scratch that, they're no decent options with more than dual-touch! If anybody already tried things out (dual- or multi-), please post reviews on the experience. Thanks!

[multiphone]

Hello,

Just for info one video about the multitouch solution by PQ Labs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWwpqYS5 ... re=related

Best

[Clearscreen]

3M shipping 22", 20 point multi touch now I believe...
http://www.shop3m.com/98000335129.html

[multiphone]

Very Nice News but...

1548 $ / 1148 € !!!

Not a realy democratisation of multitouch.

Best

[gurulogic]

Even if I were insane enough to pay that much, they only ship within the US...

[runagate]

Very Nice News but...

1548 $ / 1148 € !!!

Not a realy democratisation of multitouch.

Best

This amazes me. Is it a typo? I thought that was an absurd price for the developer kit!

[Clearscreen]

It's a bit on the steep side alright!! Hopefully like most new tech it starts out stupidly expensive and quickly gets reasonable once supply meets demand... at least I'm crossing my fingers... and toes...
It's nice to finally have A product on the market though - is the flood gate finally going to open?

[23fx23]

hope so crossfinger that neverending wait won't be to long any more..

[runagate]

Here's something odd that I dug up.

It seems that some already-existing touchscreens will serendipitously be receiving multi-touch even though they didn't have it when they were bought.

I, of course, am always digging far and wide for multi-touch displays, not least of which because I need a second one for the device I'm creating, and I came across this post on touch-base, the makers of a touchscreen driver that's in quite a lot of devices:

UPDD supported or under development multi-touch hardware
This section will be updated as we add support for additional multi-touch devices:

The one that already has had multi-touch enabled is these:

Data Mar 2009
UPDD version 4.1.6
Manufacturer IST
Product Infra-red

Date 30th April 2008
UPDD version 4.1.4
Manufacturer NextWindow
Product Specific optical sensors

(NextWindows's displays and overlays, except for the one that HP uses for it's 23" HP 2335, are 30" and up so probably terribly expensive)

and then more are "to be supported at some future date," listed here:

Atmel - Maxtouch Capacitive

iNexio Infra-red

Touch International Projected capacitive

3M Capacitive

Stantum Resistive

Quanta Computer Optical

Atmel's Maxtouch already is multi-touch, but apparently not on Windows? I don't see how it'd be used with Windows anyways.
3M, IST and Touch International displays aren't really products that we mere consumers have access to.
Stantum you know, of course.
Quanta Computer makes the OLPC as well as a ton of netbooks which are rebranded as the ones we actually buy in the store; they're a "contract manufacturer" (as in out-sourced)

iNexio, however, is actually semi-available, at least here in the U.S. I've seen them sold on shady international trading sites which I don't trust (the sites, not iNexio) for a long time. But I found an actual bricks-and-mortar shop in the U.S. which carries the iNexio displays that are likely to be upgraded to multi-touch (probably dual-touch, but who knows?)

http://www.touchboards.com/NEXIO/Nexio_Pricelist.asp

NEX, NIB and NOP appear to be the iNexio product lines that have this technology.
There's a 10" NIB for $200 USD, a 15" NIB for $213 and it goes up from there, but not so dramatically as you might think.
The NIB line are, interestingly, frames which you simply add onto an existing LCD monitor, which could be very useful for some.

http://www.inexio.co.kr/02_products/products01.html



More than anything it's amazing how intricate the OEM electronics world is. I've learned a lot, but it's amazing how hard it is to correlate little bits of data like these into even this mildly interesting story.

[martignasse]

Hi runagate,

this touch-base site is a very interesting low level resource

especially this page http://www.touch-base.com/documentation/Identifying%20touch%20screen%20controllers.htm with a lot of device referenced.


Thanks for sharing

[runagate]

Hi runagate,

this touch-base site is a very interesting low level resource

especially this page http://www.touch-base.com/documentation/Identifying%20touch%20screen%20controllers.htm with a lot of device referenced.


Thanks for sharing

Ah, thanks for posting that! I'd meant to, but I've been researching for something like 19 straight hours...

Could come in handy to all sorts of people.

[multiphone]

Another solution for multitouch in final step of developement

http://www.sensitive-object.com/spip.php

Best

[23fx23]

have you seen the exo slate hands on, if look 3:50, seems pressure sensitive: , still not a real screen as i would prefer, but
seems a nice pc slate:

http://vimeo.com/11887135

[23fx23]

look at 16:40 WIN7 on IPAD, mean USINE IB on IPAD?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2pvN4eGKTk
ashorter vid here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5I5t_e1 ... re=related
or here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-jHk9b ... re=related

it uses citrix receiver, but that tends to prove it's posssible.
aren't low cost HDMI wifi video transferts about to come, if so and sending wifi multitouch datas as those exemples shows it's possible, woul'dnt the ipad be a killer controller for usine IB? portable, truemultitouch, a usine compatible lemur
for 500$?)

just wondering latency, but as osc latency seems descent, it should be correct ne? on the exemples it seems video feedback suffers more of latency than mouse input..

[gurulogic]

I once tried UltraVNC to control Usine on my desktop from my HP tablet but quickly gave up due to graphics lag. The Citrix products look way too expensive as far as I can tell but maybe I will try the demo and see if Windows 7 can recognize multitouch from my iphone (which I doubt) and how laggy it really is.

[23fx23]

yup sadly probably right, i as well use Vnc at work to check some remote computers, and display is laggy, so should be same here.

It's quite frustrating and i don't understand the lack of wireless/over lan display transport. From years devices exists that transmit PAL/SECAM SD wireless, we can pack hours of film on divX with few kbits of data rate streaming, Hdmi is totally implemented in any actual photo,TV, multimedia, gaming, display,computer device and ie it's not possible to actually see a fluid HDmi wireless wifi/whatever transmiter/receiver or even a wired way that could feed video from a computer to another....

while a hard compressor codecs would consumm cpu, a low cpu such MJPEG, should normally easy pack desktop frames as jpeg of 50kb, so about 3mo/s at 60hz wich is something wifi n should easy handle, and im supposing there are better challenger than mjpeg, and all compressing/decomp could probably also be done by gpu. so why doesn't it exist yet?
edit: im wrong wireless hdmi exists since 2005 and use jpg2000, ..was not far, did ever single one here hear about it?
i guess no..we see hdmi everywhere, a wireless solution exists from 2005, ive never seen any device using it...did you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_HDMI

hdmi,wireless or not is not the problem, just need a video link transfert between 2 computers.
this would solve many of our pbs, and would also allow to use an old laptop lcd as a standard monitor as well,
one cheap low cpu slate could easy remote an horse power computer, (without having to double patch in our cases).
one could stream it's computer directly to it's flat tv, ect..lot of applications.. one could use it's IPad and see it's real OSX/windows7desktop in a fluid.manner, i was especting from apple they found a solution at least to direct connect to OSX.

it seems Intel just start this over, some wireless displays enable , expensive for now, but maybe about to come
http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/ ... isplay.htm
or some totally overpriced never seen devices 'links' here
http://www.wirelesshdmi.net/wireless-hdmi-transmitter/

... but the worst is that despite they are true HDMI wifi devices, no one will let us bring our horse computer machine to ie a low cpu slate as i would espect...that's only for tv...or devices that have HDMI in, wich is not the cases for computers,and totally overpriced solutions..this is once more for mom and dad to check their photos on tv...

Am i the only one thinking it's awesome in 2k10, we can't direct link two computers with fluid display?

i guess as less than 1 percent users might see interest in feeding video in to their laptop lcd , no one cares to find reliable solutions for that... usb2,3 wifi or esata could theorically handle that fine from a long time. it s very... sad...
well at least i hope some ipad owner will emit such a request to connect to their mac to apple,(that seems ultra logical for me,ne?) no flash lack, true os, dad keep working in the sofa bla bla,then apple could once more make things evolve a bit faster...maybe...and if hopefully they choose HDMi wifi and not iLocked transmission man could bring W7 and usine on it..
still the multitouch datas would have to be hacked back to W7..... so far to be real thing..but possible. As Apple officially support bootcamp, while they sell a mac, beeing used only on windows (like i was), they still sell a device . they could sell a multimedia remote device compatible with W7 if it was possible technically, they won't wait it to be hacked as the i86 case to officially advertise it i guess....

[gurulogic]

The 3M M2256PW 22" 20 point multi touch display is now available in Canada and the US through online retailers, so if anyone has $1600 US to spare and wants to be the first on the block to take advantage of Usine's multi touch features in full glory, then check here:

Canada/US
http://www.zones.com/site/product/index ... =003304612

US only
http://www.shop3m.com/3m-microtouch-m22 ... splay.html

And if anyone else in the world wants to send me lots of money to pay for the display plus shipping and taxes to canada and give me two weeks to "test" it and then pay to have it shipped to you, I'm sure we could come to an arrangement....

[23fx23]

hehe, i also asked in france, the 3m man asked me if one unit, then would drive me to one of 2 france resseller.
I asked him if possible groupbuy, who knows if 10 usiners could drop the price...waiting the answers.

any french potential custommer?

it seems very accurate and responsive, however not sure we can extract some pressure info..but definitely
best challenger for now...

[nay-seven]

here some link I've receive from 3m :

* www.amazon.co.uk/ (For Pan European delivery, search "M2256PW.)
* www.3mshop.it/ (For Italian customers, search "M2256PW")
* www.3mselect.co.uk/ (For UK customers, search "M2256PW")

[gurulogic]

Here's a supposed "multi-touch" 21.5" overlay being launched by Albatron shortly. Tuue multi touch orr just dual touch? Interesting anyways.
http://www.albatron.com.tw/English/news ... ews_id=303

[senso]

optical means often bi-touch and sometime 3. but no more ...

[nay-seven]

I've also contact this ones :
overlay kits , 6 points
http://multi-touch-screen.com/product.html

[senso]

@nay:
seems to be the best choice except the size (32' at least)
do you know the price?

[nay-seven]

they say "Custom sizes available upon request" but I'm waiting for an answer..

[multiphone]

Dear Mister Seven and Senso,

I have receive one price list by PQ labs in January 2010 and for exemple for 32''

32'' Dual touch $800
32'' G2 5 touch $1,450
32'' G3x6 6 touch $2,200
32'' G3x32 32 trouch $3,100

So... maybe the 3M Monitor available now for French market is a preliminary solution ?

Best

[23fx23]

yup 3m 22' 20 touch seems a better choice, ard i hope we can extract some pressure infos otherwise that's still expensive...

[23fx23]

One more tablet, but this one seems to have very responsive resistive multitouch panel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU

sadly not W7

arf what that deal with all those new os

apple iphone os, goggle android, microsoft windows mobile,ce,7, now intel , it's a real war or what..
can't a single one just make a _ç_ç)__)_çè;!:; real monitor tablet without cheap cpu/exotic os??

[Clearscreen]

don't forget HP and their push for Palm's webOS... :rolleyes:
It is getting ridiculous - where's the hardware! plenty of stuff that'll run multi touch, but so little hardware...

[23fx23]

yup, insane but it seems at last the challenger is here:

3M NOW AVAIBLE IN FRANCE!!!

glups 1600E , but we were prepared..... arf need to make some funds... anyone will go for it? would like to be sure we can use
pressure hehe..anyway no funds this month for me aaarf.
http://toptactile.com/achat/produit_details.php?id=64

[Clearscreen]

Any opinion on the Hanvon B10?
Review on Youtube

They've started selling em here in Aus, but can't find how many touches it'll handle. Obviously the cpu ain't that powerful, but it could be useful if it's got proper mutlitouch...

[senso]

forget it...

[Clearscreen]

forget it...

I'm assuming that's based on your experience with the mini hp?

[senso]

yes probably not powerful enough?

[runagate]

A new "multi-touch" standalone display from Samsung. It's been released in Russia. My local North American Samsung site is ignorant of its existance as of yet. I've read inferences that it might detect more than 2 simultaneous touches. It's sub-titled "lapfit" if you can believe that. Only the model number ending in "Z" is multi-touch.

Samsung unveiled its new LD220Z multitouch Full HD LCD display in Russia. It is a 22-inch display that boast specs that includes a 1920×1080 Full HD resolution, a 70,000 dynamic contrast ratio, 5ms response time, support for multitouch and Samsung’s MagicBright function that offers seven preset modes: Text, Internet, Sports, Movies, Games, Dynamic Contrast and Custom mode. The Samsung LD220Z has built-in 3W stereo speakers and comes with a “high-precision stylus”.

NexTagUK has it on sale for £272.26 but I'm not real sure I'd trust that it's for-sure the right thing as it claims to have been on sale there since `08.

[nay-seven]

i found many place here in Europe who sell this baby , but , as always , really difficult to know the real specifications
just see this dual touch reference : here
?

[Clearscreen]

Waht about this monitor from Lenovo?
Lenovo l2461x

[headphoner]

A guy found the solution


lcd screen

[Clearscreen]

Waht about this monitor from Lenovo?
Lenovo l2461x

DOH - just found the specs, it's only dual touch... At least that explains why it's so cheap!

[runagate]

If it's any consolation the only thing stopping me from making a multi-touch DIY solution available to musicians now is the fact that my programmer partner can't spare time to work on it.

[martignasse]

hi runagate,

are you saying you just need a coder ?

all the tech/electronic part is ok ?

[Clearscreen]

If it's any consolation the only thing stopping me from making a multi-touch DIY solution available to musicians now is the fact that my programmer partner can't spare time to work on it.

What sort of hardware is involved? Very interesting...

[Floego]

This ultramobile looks rather interesting:

librettow100

anyone knows about the multitouch technology inside it?

[runagate]

hi runagate,

are you saying you just need a coder ?

all the tech/electronic part is ok ?

My partner in this project, and real life friend, is quite the programmer and also the one who does the actual electronics stuff like soldering, making sure things don't short-circuit, etc. Sadly, it's not just your run of the mill programming and I actually need a coder to be physically in the same room as the pile of chips and sensors and such. Which means, for the time being, no further progress is likely to be made.

Luckily there's a near infinitude of design work for me to keep busy with but I'm afraid that as of this week it looks like I'm not going to have a solution for anyone. And I want it more than anyone, I assure you.

Trust me, I'm not holding out on ya'll. As soon as I know for a fact that there's a multi-touch display that fits my, admittedly quirky, personal criteria I'll be trumpeting it here like the little green men have landed and want to teach us some new jams.

If it's any consolation the only thing stopping me from making a multi-touch DIY solution available to musicians now is the fact that my programmer partner can't spare time to work on it.

What sort of hardware is involved? Very interesting...

Whatever you've ever heard of, I've investigated it. Given some actual cash resources (I'm poor) and, more importantly, a month of free time with which I could continually harrangue my partner, Armz, into doing what he does so well, I'm pretty sure that we could get our second generation prototype to work. As it stands I haven't even bothered ordering some of the vital components, waiting to see if it'd be worth it. For now... I guess not.

I'd be happy to jabber about it with you if there were some quicker way of doing it aside from typing but I'm in the middle of writing a new album - that's what all this newfound free time will be devoted to for now I guess.

BTW, the people who design multi-touch gadgets and mobile devices like netbook, iPhone/Android types of things, tablets, etc... they don't really design anything. It took me a long time to realize that:

1) these companies have no idea what technology exists nor any creative ideas about how to use it

2) they have no idea what "segments of the market" could actually really use such things, were they designed with them in mind (such as, you know, computer musicians)

3) all that most of these companies do is throw money at advertising to "brand" the devices, all of which are the cutting edge of mobile technology - as of 5 years ago

4) making devices such as a Droid is easy, given knowledge of electronics, programming and a library card

5) conversely, getting companies to sell you their high-tech components without being both a known player in the "industry" and ordering 10.000 units at once is almost beyond imagining

6) whatever you think the coolest multi-touch device would be comprised of, tech-wise, the current state of technology is more advanced, cheaper, and easier to mash together into something that's more than the sum of it's parts

7) some tech companies actually have cool ideas (ultrasound-powered haptic feedback for laser-projected 3D holograms with a capacitive and IR-based multi-touch interface? that exists... and is used for advert kiosks in convention centers, where all bleeding edge technology finds its true purpose... *roll eyes* (don't worry, you can't afford it!)

there's this thing called Product Design companies that other companies, like Spring, pay to actually design and sometimes program, assemble and even manage the supply chain for. Spring provides the commercials, the branding concept and makes sure to lock the user out of any potentially interesting repurposing of the device

9) the parts inside things like tablets aren't terribly expensive, especially in bulk orders - I seem to recall the iPad costing about $212 USD in parts

10) as hard as it is to believe the average joe blogs can't afford to prototype devices because, in order to try the technology to see if it'll work for what they have in mind one must buy a "developer" device (sort of a more-than-necessary specs version with plenty of various connection types, usually a debugger device to communicate with your computer's IDE, etc.) and they cost $100 to about $1500 typically. That's just dandy for one technology, but what if you use 15 different types of high-tech components? Even if the parts cost something like $35, the typical cost of a Bluetooth chip, the dev device might cost, say, $75... (bad example as Bluetooth usually just need ported drivers, but I had to use an example you probably heard of). Which isn't too bad - unless it isn't compatible for whatever reason. And there's bajillions of reason. So if you go through just 5, that's $325 for one of 15 components (not to mention development time spent fiddling around), and a cheap one at that. It's like gambling but with no possible jackpot. The provided spec sheets are, shall we say, a little on the skimpy side usually, too. Doesn't matter if you're AT&T or Apple but that kind of crap adds up. Half the websites you see with cool stuff is just vaporware anyways, hoping someone will buy them out or invest enough money for them to actually finish it.

This ultramobile looks rather interesting:

librettow100

anyone knows about the multitouch technology inside it?

Very nice, I've been wondering when they'd do the old press release for that... though the name is entirely new, and very odd, to me.
I'd love a dual multi-touch device, I just wish they'd left out the weak netbook guts and made it wireless

Now, I'm not absolutely sure as I've read more multi-touch technology webpages that is probably mentally healthy but I seem to recall that toshiba is one of the "partners" that gets to buy Synaptics ClearTouch3000 "solution" (it bothers me a lot that every OEM tech supplier company calls their gizmos "solutions")

[Clearscreen]

Very nice, I've been wondering when they'd do the old press release for that... though the name is entirely new, and very odd, to me.
I'd love a dual multi-touch device, I just wish they'd left out the weak netbook guts and made it wireless

GRRRR!!! What's with that piss weak CPU! Make it a tad thicker and squeeze a decent cpu in there and we'd be in business...

[23fx23]

re grrrr make some video in

[runagate]

How about 90% transparent graphene electrodes that enable cheap multi-touch digitizers that'll last forever?

http://www.physorg.com/news196316695.html

There's even a video I love physorg but I was pretty surprised to see graphere used this way

[Clearscreen]

Interesting stuff! I can't see any company commercializing a product that'll last for ever though - where's the repeat business?!?

[Clearscreen]

Anybody got any heads up on good stuff on the horizon? Been doing some sound design work so some cash is in the pipeline, debating dropping it on a 3M screen when they come up in August in Australia but nervous that as soon as I do there'll be a better option available...

[Floego]

What about this?
optical touch

is this a viable solution for multitouch?

[Clearscreen]

Optical would be fine, if someone had a machine on the market with proper multi touch that used it

Any opinion on the Hanvon B10?
Review on Youtube

Had a play with one of these yesterday and it was remarkably zippy for the specs, but I didn't get to try Usine on it - it's only dual touch! What a waste...

[runagate]

Intel gets into the pico projector + camera touch-surface game:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/ ... chscreens/

The only thing that really distinguishes this is that Intel might actually popularize this technology (I've looked into projectors myself and can't for the life of me find a portable, cheap one that is meant to project onto only a small 5" to 10" surface area) and that it apparently models whatever it's viewing in 3D, which is damned cool. And very, very useful for things like AR control surfaces and gestural recognition.

Course, there's already decent Open Source software for this sort of thing if you own the hardware.

I myself have been pondering that stereo webcam not only because, obviously, depth perception works better with 2 cameras but because it's software allows you to automatically encode video for the main popular 3D video formats.

[23fx23]

im really interested in the other side pico projector/camera tracking solution as well.also 3D..

i work as freelance 3D and im awaiting from years solutions to direct have a 3D database when filming, 2 cameras do not really create accurate models there are lots of "cleaning" work behind, better to recreate the models from scratch, i thougt some lazer based system to scan Z would emerge, but no, exept maybe army, so we spend our time remodeling objects, because we need
ulra clean and 360 objects (see the "back"), but for sound/control/gaming it should work perfectly.

sadly doubt it will emerge soon for musical apps,but it's on the way, MS project natal /kinekt will be the first large public real 3d tracker, so in the next all 3dTV /entertainement decades it should come true, and we might enjoy playing usine moving arms on a 3d space like minority report, maybe in no more than 5 years... then we will wait for feedback..hehe
what is sad is MS and intel are always showing some crasy ideas "seems near to production" but we never see them irl!
Surface , Courier, where are they? I would so enjoy intel really come to HW, they have some killer searchs funds, why don't
they make their killer HW real? they just tease us and close back the folder for a new one..

Pico proj/cam can really be a nice alternative, we don't see much of them, I guess tracking non specific stuff is weird buggy for now. i would love to see a pressure tactile surface like a wacom/roger linn (over a "everywhere buggy tracking solution)
with a pico proj, that would be the killer combo for audio...
I often have tracking jobs to do and i know how hard it is to get real acurate 3D tracking when there is not contrasted or paterned
spots, and even more in real time, im more after a real surface with pressure detection.

well next Xbox should do such 3d track, really curious how they managed to make it realtime, that must be some killer CPU/alg/ and intelligent use of 2 cams, results seems awesome, if they did, there is no reasons intel couldn't. now how long will it take,
that's the question...

[Floego]

If 3d work is as complicated as seems to be, what is being left for an hologram video display?:|

[runagate]

floego, there's ultrasound-powered air-jet haptics in one company's 3D, gestural standalone holographic display but it's really expensive... the technology does already exist, though

[Floego]

Runagate,
IMHO the problem still resides in the poor capabillty of the multi-cameras to "understand" what is being recorded. Post processing is still crucial. And besides this, the high cost involved in this "rocket science" technology.

Maybe the great difficulty is that 3d vision is only in our brains, it is a perceptual impression, like the colours are :/

[runagate]

The particular holograpic/gestural interface I was refering to uses a combination of IR and capacitive sensors.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what exactly it is you're refering to.

Also, there's always "post-processing" whether it's in the CPU, DSP chip, or the IC for sensors that have them.

[Floego]

Hello Runagate,
I'm sorry for my confusing writing, and you are right about the Ir and capacitive technology thing: it is a workable solution.

About post processing I was thinking (but failed to explain) for example in some holographic rendering of a place (with objects, people, sounds and so on) being projected into a remote place where people coud "experience" an spacial inmersion into the virtual room, walking throught it, talking with "remote" people,etc.

[Léo Moldo]

In my university, the technician responsible for programming the immersive virtual reality "platform" tested a kind of 3D musical interface just for fun. He made 3 or 4 spheres that launched a sound when "touched", but there was too much audio latency.

The movements are recognized thanks to 3 infrared cameras and gloves with special reflectors (the same way the image is calculated thanks to reflectors on the glasses to follow movements of the head).

Anyway, humans are not so good at handling with 3D interfaces! It might be interesting for some multimedia / digital art applications, but not as an efficient interface for playing live with a software.

[23fx23]

i d like to see more potable "monitors" and no tablets like this one:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/11/mimo ... n-monitor/

10 inch tablet linke, a single Usb 2.0 make all in/outs, including VGa and power, quie cool, but as usual not that much precision about touch technology...As we see stylus i guess it's two points resistive?

edit: mmm sadly nowhere multitouch is mentionned, neither W7 native drivers, so not yet, arf..

[runagate]

Aside from some rather esoteric haptic and NUI stuff I always research I thought this particular notice would actually be of interest to my fellow Usiners:

Information Week: Ballmer says Windows 7 Slates Coming Soon

In an effort to counter Apple's iPad-fueled momentum in the personal computing market, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said his company plans to introduce a full range of Windows 7-based slate PCs "over the course of the next several months."

"They will come from the people you would expect. From Asus, from Dell, from Samsung, from Toshiba, from Sony," Ballmer said.

Ballmer noticeably failed to mention Hewlett-Packard in the list of vendors developing a Windows-powered slate product. HP was seen as a key Microsoft partner in the emerging category of tablet-style computers until it bought out Palm for $1.2 billion earlier this year. Many observers believe HP now plans to introduce a slate based on Palm's WebOS.

One of Ballmer's presentation slides, however, included HP in the list of vendors developing Microsoft-based slates. Other vendors listed on the graphic included Lenovo, Fujitsu, Onkyo, MotionComputing, Pegatron, Hanvon, and MSI.

Without mentioning his rival by name, Ballmer said Microsoft expects to take a significant piece of the slate market by delivering a wide variety of devices that fit in both home and business environments and will be compatible with Microsoft's suite of management and security tools.

"We want to give you a consumer-oriented device, but a device that fits and is manageable with today's enterprise IT solutions," Ballmer said. "They'll come with keyboards, they'll come without keyboards, they'll be dockable, there'll be many form factors, many price points, many sizes. But they will run Windows 7," he added.

With Apple having sold more than three million iPads in the device's first 80 days on the market, Microsoft needs to move quickly to steal some momentum in one of tech's hottest new markets. "This is a terribly important area for us," Ballmer said.

Then again, the iFad is already a multi-touch slate. Will the Windows 7 versions have enough horsepower to matter moreso than the iPhone OS-hampered things already available (but by no means whatsoever useless, just not optimal for VST-based PC musicians) or will they somehow interface with our powerful DAW-hosting PCs? (in my case I can't even imagine opting for less than my 4Ghz quadcore desktop with 6 Gb or RAM for what I do live)

I doubt it, but it's movement in the right direction in any event.

[ edit ]

I forgot to mention 2 things:

the pre-alpha image for developers for the new MeeGo OS targeted for "Handhelds" (Nokia 900 and Aava hardware are the only ports thus far) which is designed around multi-touch and is Open Source just got dropped online last week and

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10597430.stm
BBC News has an article about a visual-metaphor way of programming Android apps for non-programmers (kind of like SynthEdit for Android, and thus would facilitate creating custom multi-touch GUI applications for your wireless OSC/MIDI/multi-touch projects I'd imagine).

[23fx23]

Curious about Hp moves...
I soo hope one of the challenger will take the commercial risk of making one with videoIN, i really doubt we ll see descent enough cpu/ram to run our load of vst's soon, as you mention runagate I think as well a 4core 4gb is the now minimal spec to run a correct liveset in my case, that's too expensive/getting too hot to fit in a slate form for now..I would prefer a cheap hardware relating cpu/ram to check the news here, then be able to run an evolutive desktop quad on it.that would solve the problem aaarf please Asus, LG, please.. give us a damned Video IN !!!

[goyya76]

Hello all....anyone heard/tried Keetouch touch panels?? it's a Chinese manufacturer, with a huge catalogue - i was having a look at prices for 24" touch screen kits, and found this single touch/multi touch (surface acoustic wave technology) for 106/165 $ (!?)

http://www.keetouch.cn/catalogue/saw_touch_screen/152

Since i paid 180 $ for a 17" resistive single touch kit from KEYTEC, US....i am tempted, but i was wondering if it's worth a try and/or be of interest to others...

ciao,

Goyya

[23fx23]

don't know about keytek saw...

I find there is a nice music multitouch use here:
not that fan of sound type but the legato/pitch stuff seems to perform quite well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVpuSj75rI

would make a nice usine patch,ne?
arf still waiting hw challenger. hesitate the 3m for price/portability..try to wait a more portable..

[multiphone]

Hello,

Just for info the new technology of mutitouch screen of STANTUM with pressure info.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvA6aI5e ... r_embedded

[multiphone]

The day for multitouch news...

Project of multitouch mouse by microsoft (Its time... the magic mouse allready exist !!!)

http://www.macgeneration.com/news/voir/ ... multitouch

[multiphone]

And the last one... (for info)

Mathieu Chamagne create a new Max Multitouch Framwork (For Max MSP) to interface the Ipad with MAX MSP.

Very interesting solution !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfvEV1zc ... r_embedded

[23fx23]

So now, who makes an ib to ipad app..
Still nothing correct portable monitor
Avaible on pc side. Quite awesome...
And frustrating!

[Clearscreen]

I wonder if fantastick couldn't somehow be engineered to work with Usine?

[TheDefend]

I just made some minor tests with the new App "Splashtop Remote" for the iPad which lets you see and control your Windows desktop in "realtime" (it actually claims to be able to display movies and flash).

My first impession is that it is really quite responsive, far better than my other Apps using Remote Desktop or VNC. In fact it does come close to what I'd personally expect to be the best you can get on an iPad through WiFi... still the size of the iPad and the nearly not noticable but nevertheless existing slight latency is a disadvantage against a "real" multitouch monitor. Maybe the disadvantage of the small screen could be compensated by adding zoom functionality ...

...and - maybe the most imprtant disadvantage especially in a thread headlined "Multi Touch Availability"(sorry, hope my reply fits in this thread anyway) - it is not really multitouch although it translates some multitouch gestures on the iPad into actions like resolution change and scrolling.

At least for its price I classify it capable killing some time unless an affordable real multitouch solution is available.

[23fx23]

Thanks for infos, could you get two simultaneous touch working in usine?

[TheDefend]

Regrettably not, the App is providing a few specific multitouch gestures to control the App which at first give you the impression that "real" multitouch is available. For example you can scroll up and down a page with two finger gesture. But I guess this is only a translation of that gesture inside the App into mousewhweel action. At least it seems that the client software on Windows 7 side (which you need in order to use the App) does not provide a virtual multitouch device in the OS.

But who knows, to me the provider looks to be kind of innovative and user oriented with his App, maybe someone is able to convince him in adding this as it would i.m.o. bring this already exciting App to another level.

[23fx23]

Yes that would be great, so awaiting an equivalent device with widi or othet wireless video transmit, sadly all goes for cheap slates with low cpu, real waste for the touch technology being usable with an upreadable remote computer. Soooo lonnng

[TheDefend]

Couldn't agree more, brother ...

[23fx23]

don't know wich kind of vnc technology it is, but if this works for all meego tablets this can be the solution i was awaiting from a while, seems fairly responsive to get any desktop PC transfered to slate:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/devi ... o-netbook/

[Clearscreen]

Is this of any interest?
Acer dual touchscreen laptop

[nay-seven]

an other one who seems promising..
http://www.bulldogsolutions.net/AtmelCorporation/ATM_LandingPage/index.aspx?bdls=21067

[Clearscreen]

If I remember correctly there's been a bit of talk about those atmel maxtouch chips being in a lot of the upcoming android tablets. haven't seen em in a laptop yet though - could be one on the horizon though?

[nay-seven]

yes , this one is use for the samsung android galaxy tablet and i've try to contact them cause they talk about netbook ready and they are also working on bigger ones..
check here

and here for the galaxy

[nay-seven]

all in one solution from packard bell

http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Ordinateurs ... 101006-[pc]

[runagate]

From Engadget:

DeviceVM unleashing MeeGo on Splashtop PCs, flexes MeeGo netbook muscle to remote control Windows machines (video)

Got "Smart On," "Quick Start," "Express Gate," "QuickWeb," "Latitude ON" or even the plain vanilla Splashtop instant-on OS embedded in your PC? Chances are, sometime next year, you'll be getting a MeeGo app-capable upgrade. Splashtop manufacturer DeviceVM has just promised a MeeGo-based version of Splashtop to all current OEM partners for distribution in the first half of next year, and you should be able to simply upgrade the instant-on client in your existing PC. We spoke to DeviceVM in person at IDF 2010, and were told it's not quite as easy as it sounds -- for one thing, the Splashtop MeeGo Remix, as it's called, is still in the early stages, and it's going to be up to the ASUS, Acers and Dells of the world to actually roll it out. HP's committed to delivering an free, transitional version of Splashtop for its machines that will allow end-users to easily upgrade, however. What you're looking at above on this Lenovo S10-3t is the first step in the process -- MeeGo with Splashtop branding and some simple touchscreen drivers. To make up for the relative boredom, DeviceVM showed off something else moderately neat -- a port of its Splashtop Remote app to MeeGo that allows a tiny HP Mini to seamlessly remote into a Windows PC. Imagine the potential for covert fun with our video after the break!

direct link to Viddler to see their video

For those of you who don't know MeeGo is an upcoming operating system for embedded devices with different distros for different gadget types (handhelds, set-top boxed - which apparently has something to do with TVs? - in-car, laptops and sometime in the future multi-touch tablets) that's spec'd to work on devices with Intel Moorestown and ARM processors of various kinds. It's Open Source, managed by the Linux foundation and in fact largely being developed in public. All reports aver that it's blazing fast but, since VSTs will never run on them, you might be wondering why I'd been following their developments so keenly...

Well, the quoted text that I bolded above pretty much tells it all. One can use VPN and Remote Desktop-like apps to stream a desktop PC's GUI to a true multi-touch mobile device and, if you're good, make the Windows 7 Touch API play nice with your gadget to pass multi-touch cursor events and gestural commands (recognized as such on the embedded OS and then translated into whatever Win7 expects in their API, presumably by utilizing the startlingly-overlooked Custom Gesture Widgets part of the SDK. I've lived and breathed all of this for a long, long time now.

It already works to a degree with Android, kinda-sorta with the excrementa that is iOS (the artist formerly known as iPhone OS), and others but unlike most any of them (including Android) this is entirely Open Source. If someone stops supporting it, you can simply recompile and start your own development branch. I'm amazed at some of the not-intended-by-MeeGo's-requirement-specs devices (as in non-Moorestown Intel gizmos, for instance) that the inchoate community has already managed to shoehorn MeeGo onto. It also vastly improves "re-use" which, I know, any developer must really appreciate.

Whereas I so much not a programmer that I spent 2 solid, nearly sleepless days trying to figure out how to accomplish nearly the same thing with Windows SideShow (the API that lets those fancy gaming keyboard spork game data onto the little tiny display on the upper rim of the keyboard). No one uses SideShow. In essence it's like a Win7 Widget that allows intercommunication between weenie little ICs and devices without a full blown OS and a 1Ghz+ processor and the like to pass commands and info in paltry little morsels.

Course, we will always need very, very powerful graphics DSP integration in such a remote control device (something I've been trying to make for over a year now, but trust me ODMs are not just going to sell you their IP for prices that a mere mortal can survive... which is odd since, you know, wouldn't it be kinda kick-ass for your big, dumb company whose salesforce and management just sort of gets in the way of their scientists' and programmers' innovations in hopes of scoring a "primary, first-release exclusivity deal" with Samsung or HTC instead of allowing them out into the world to get into the hands of people making something other than a replica of the same cell phone over and over again and copying whatever trend last managed to make it through the creativity barricade and, while they're at it, why not sell them for a reasonable price (iPhones cost about 1/2 their retail price to make, and not entirely due to avarice - these companies don't actually design or manufacture much of their tech toys, they pay someone else to do it (there are uncountable numbers of such companies of talented gun-slingers-for-hire who are too smart to be arsed with cubicle rancheros) and, mostly, they just pay people unholy amount of money to design the appearance of their devices' form factors, device a branding strategy (which is really all most companies are about nowadays anyways... I mean, seriously, what kind of genius or invention does it take to make a tablet when pirates in Sherzen are cranking them out by the thousands secretly on the night shift under the nose of their daytime management?! - but then we run into ye olde interoperability/ecosystem architectural limitations to these devices' usefulness to consumers, not to mention shoddiness and outright scams), advertisement, sending armies of lawyers to fight over locking down every good idea anyone ever has with patents and the like which normal people simply cannot afford to register (and probably aren't coldhearted enough to retain their helpful innovations from the world for decades sans being under the influence of corporate hucksters), and of course layers upon layers of beaurocracy... whereas the moment I heard of touchscreens I, like most digially-inclined musicians, wanted one til I learnt they weren't multi-touch, had terrible latency, and all that. I seriously have been planning for VR musical performance/composition interfaces since I was a teen, and even writing music which could only be performed suchwise on the gable that I'd still be alive once all this technical blockage was finally dealt with. I'm a creative type, not an engineer. Well, I guess now I am... :rolleyes:

Given the apparent ease with which MeeGo is grafted onto jailbroken tablets and the like, and given that it's Open Source and therefore is actually worth developing for, it seems that at the very least we computer musicians have some really great advances to look forward to... at long last! Wtf is with Microsoft, the most laggard of companies, finally incorporating MT at the OS-level and it takes years for someone to get their act together and create a product that is the first compelling raison d'etre for this type of HID? Srly? Even more promising is that it seems that oftentimes different OSes can coexist on the same device, semi-sorta combining the goodies in each distro's app ecosystem.

Did you know that you can get 38-touchpoint multi-touch controllers for about $10 for batches of 250 or more at a time? Course, that doesn't write the driver, fit it to your LCD, AMOLED or whatever kind of display, nor manufacture the surfaces spackled with iridium tin oxide and then precisely etched into diamond patterns (the smaller the diamond, the better the MT... course, that increases the requisite CPU drain and requires ever-better capacitive touch-tracking algorithms written into the pre-OS IC code). Here in the USA. $10! I just can't help but think that our particular niche of the tech world has fallen completely and utterly into MIDI-induced senility. $78 for a breath controller my ass. Those things are from the freakin' 70's; they're not exactly bleeding edge.

Once I finally manage to make some hard/software combo that meets my standards I'll come show ya'll first. I am an instrumentalist so I have hands-on skillz in music, but I'd think that the forward-thinking non-instrumentalists would recognize the possibilities in >3DoF HID controllers before those who are not especially literate in the acoustic instrument milieu would catch on...? I bought the 3D-IR-MIDI-dome armed PhotonX25 the moment it was released! Course, it broke while in storage in a nice, dry, normal person's bedroom shelf so go figure... same with it's AirFX precursor that I also used prior to that... in a rock band, for during non-lyrical vocal parts - I'd use the 3-axis-controlled Fx to create "lead vox/instrumental" melody lines and trippy fx - whereas the thing was designed for DJs... who you'd think already do enough inscrutable things on stage that the audience has no idea how to correlate to their sounds they hear - and aren't paying attention anyways - that they'd want something obtrusively hand-on, not the only touchless controller ever to make it to retail hehehe - maybe a suit of mecha armor composed almost entirely of monomes with blinking-lights?

[23fx23]

yeah i spotted that once previously somewhere in the post. im really curious since it's the first (vnc?) ever seen with a decent framerate. i don't understand if technically possible with meego why isn't it accessible from years between two Windows
machines. I always wanted that...but all vnc i tested are laggy. what's the magic here if not video transmit?
That's a long time GPU could handle such quasi realtime comp/decompression. im totally stunned that still not exists.

things are moving so slow...i have impression i wait that for years , i remeber when my first laptop was getting old, I felt so
annoyed leting that pick the dust when the LCD could potentially be a monitor for my desktop, serched solution, but no decent
existed. imagine a second the nb of laptops in the world that went obsolete, the nb of LCD screens waste that could have been reused as fairly descent monitor,TV, gaming screen, whatever, if it existed a descent 'bi di rectionnal' network, or other video link...

there are various brand that could easy make an affordable lemur like monitor with bunch of IR captors. Why no one goes in ?
I yould see korg/berhinger or other "chep" bands make a lemur killer and make lots of funds on that one.
that's unclear to me: if apple/stantum/samesung whatever brand make some confortable margins on Hardware, why the hell don't they make a slate/monitor being able to run as a standard monitor, with video transmit to/from any host computer/tv system, whatever, that's a wide range application with supposed hot selling, as being 'universal'... no software dev, just a hw to sell.

no they all prefer to lock prorietary HW, to make their distinctions with also locked own Software/market.
wtf with all that technology waste, what will happen with all ipads in 3years? they will be useless, while potentially being
at this time a 2nd hand ultimate mulitouch monitor input device for few bucks, that could remote various things if had inputs..

I give a last wait till Xmas, since manufacturers may magically at least deliver W7 runnable correct devices or monitors...
or i will pick a dual touch by waiting..
looking forward your quest runagate.;

[runagate]

Oh, and before you ask: there's not really any MeeGo devices for sale except that ludicrously overpriced on in Germany (I've seen then get shipped to France, and I do believe they ship to the US, too). The Aava Mobile developer kit costs something like $2500 USD - which is stupid as hell, but it's actually a "reference design" which means that unlike a BeagleBoard it's the whole shebang and when you buy the IP you buy the info on how to make it in your factory just the way you see it when you receive it, as opposed to having to adapt it or anything like that... basically, you brand it. Not you, I mean dumbassed like Verizon or Orange who like to pretend they have a hi-tech gadget-manufacturing subsidiary for some unknown reason. I can't believe the huge OEMs like Apple and Nokia even agree to the exclusivity deals... how many more iPhones would have been sold if carriers could - gasp! - simply sell customers whatever they want like in South Korea where their teenagers carry things around that'd blow your mind.

OpenPeak reference design you can't actually buy: http://www.openpeak.com/

WiDi:

Available since January on certain Dell, Toshiba, and Sony laptops, Intel's WiDi leverages the chipmaker's 2.4GHz wireless network adapter, using it to beam video from the computer to a receiver sold separately by Netgear. Intel claims the technology supports resolutions of 1280 x 800, 1280 x 768, or 1280 x 720 pixels, all at 30 frames per second.

Enterprise developers are already getting in early on MeeGo:
Aricent's MeeGo Center of Excellence

Here's the €449 (for 16GB, more for upgraded version!) WeTab for pre-order if you're exceptionally trusting and wealthy. I do admire their utilitarian, practical restraint in the appearance of their tablet.


WeTab presents the first tablet with open operating system MeeGo

Berlin (Germany) – September 3, 2010 – At a press conference hosted by its technology partner Intel, WeTab GmbH has announced the technological basis for its tablet computer, the WeTab, developed in cooperation with Intel, going public just in time for the IFA international trade fair for consumer electronics in Berlin. The WeTab, which will come on to the German market already in September, is the first tablet worldwide based on MeeGo.
WeTab OS, the WeTab operating system, is based on the free Linux distribution MeeGo and integrates runtime environments for various other technologies. As such, in addition to native Linux apps, many other applications can run on the WeTab, including Android™ apps, Adobe® Air® applications and MeeGo apps. Those apps that are interesting for the user have been compiled and are available on the WeTab Market, from where they can be loaded directly onto the WeTab. This means that developers can program in the languages they are familiar with and users can choose from an abundance of very different applications.
"Working intensively with Intel, we have developed the WeTab OS with MeeGo to meet the requirements of a tablet user in the best way possible. The tablet runs extremely fast and, in addition to native apps, also provides direct access to countless Web-based apps”, says Stephan Odörfer, Managing Director of 4tiitoo AG, which is are also involved in this joint venture with WeTab GmbH. The Web-browser plays a special role here and is based on the free HTML rendering engine WebKit, enabling fast and unrestricted surfing enjoyment including HTML5, Adobe Flash® and Java™.
Wolfgang Petersen, Director of Intel Software and Services Group at Intel Deutschland GmbH, says: "The WeTab is the first tablet based on MeeGo and the Intel® Atom™ processor. MeeGo is designed for a broad range of devices. Implementing MeeGo on the WeTab shows just how the operating system can be adapted for use on a tablet.”
You can find more information at www.wetab.mobi, www.intel.com and www.meego.de.

[url=C:UserskaliDesktopNokia S tablet to showcase MeeGo_ « Nitish Kumar's Blog.mht]Nokia S Tablet to Showcase MeeGo?[/url]

[url=C:UserskaliDesktopFlexible and transparent OLEDs from TDK (w_ Video).mht]Flexible and transparent OLEDs from TDK (with video)[/url] from physorg.com... I've been awaiting this, it's exactly what I need!

Why can't more than one company get their crap together and make crazy things like this?
OCOSMOS fffffff

MID+VoIP+PSP+PMP+MP3+NAVIGATION+CAR PC
funtional performances.
Weaver sexual style contains high tech-powered funtions.

OCS7 is embedded Intel™ processor ATOM 1.5GHz Menlow to 2.0GHz Moorestown (next version), highest CPU, WSVGA level's graphic card it makes show you, as netbook or UMPC grade processing speed and graphic display supplies.

OCS7 make it to be perfect playing for multifarious internet applications, digital contents, and on-line games, such as Roll Playing(Lineage, WOW etc), RTS(Starcraft etc), FPS(Special Force, Sudden Attack etc) etc.

OCS7 is operated the newest operating system named Windows 7 is enable to supply multi touch interface environments, also if it used additional function named OMOS interface, supplies same office applications working environment such as Powerpoint, Exel, photoshop etc, as on Desk Top PC.

OCS7, if you install it in vehicles, you can get 4.8" large framed wide display screen GPS car navigation systems (driving mode, walking (street) mode).

Also, it can be used to connect HSDPA, WIBRO device by external accessories added, supplies more effective Car PC functions and telematics solutions of the next generation.

P.S. what on Earth translation software are they using that knows the words multifarious and telematics!?

Aside from that being the best tagline on a product ever note that the next version will have a Moorestown Intel CPU (thus capable of running MeeGo but, hey, apparently it can run Win7), it is multi-touch,

Here's a hands-on video of their similar, but more PSP-like, OCS-1:
UMPC Portal hands-on video with OCOSMOS OCS 1

[23fx23]

i would have gone for the exoPc if WIDI was bidirectional.

sadly from what ive understood, im affraid WIDi fails once more what we are after: it let you drive slate to TV, not other way: Computer desktop/laptop to slate.
basically the equipped devices (mostly laptops/slates) can emmit, and on other side the TV with a receptor receives.
That still does not allow what we are after, drive a desktop to slate, cause mono directionnal.
arf why the hell no bidirectional. once more locked!!!

so im reaallly curious on what is used for the comp to slate transfert seen previously on meego...
if wetab can do the same, then it's the first potentially usable portable slate to remote a horse computer usine powered,
and might be a cool option...

[runagate]

Oh, you're kidding me, 23fx23? What is with these people? Huge companies, brilliant employees... and just pfft once it gets to the management, killing everything interesting. Isn't an etrepreneur supposed to get customers excited and please them with actually useful features? I'm no entrepreneur, so perhaps I know not.

You don't even want to know about the reference design for OEMs music-oriented gadget I just stumbled across... jeez, I hope it's not vapourware.

But I found this, too, which I'd been waiting for... it's the cheapest of their line of all-in-one's with "more than one touch" touchscreens... I don't have the heart to track this info down on consumer crapola anymore, so I leave it to others.

Medion Akoya P4011 D


I note this image's url says "retail" so presumably this company has some sort of ODM reference design or licensing solutions, too.


CNet review

[small]Verdict
On the whole, the Medion Akoya P4011 D is an attractive and capable all-in-one PC. It's slightly too slow for our liking, though, and we're not convinced that waving your arms about like Tom Cruise in Minority Report represents the future of computing. But, if you're looking for a next-generation desktop PC that doubles as a telly, it could be right up your street


Good
Good multi-touch support
Not very expensive for what you get
Bad
Waving your arms about can get tiring after a while
Can be sluggish


Read more: http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/desktops/medi ... z11uosJArQ

Key Specs
Product type Media Center PC
CPU manufacturer Intel
CPU type T4400
OS family Other
Operating system Windows 7 Home Premium

Display
Display type LCD
Viewable screen size 21.5 in.

Interfaces / NetworkingEthernet Yes
USB 7

Miscellaneous
Operating system Windows 7 Home Premium
Included software Medion Touch Center; Microsoft Touch Pack
Included accessories Infrared mouse; Bluetooth keyboard; Bluetooth optical mouse

Optical Storage
CD / DVD type DVD super multi drive

Processor
Processor type T4400
Processor manufacturer Intel
Processor family Intel Pentium
Clock speed 2.2 GHz

Video Output
Graphics processor Nvidia GeForce 9100M G
Max resolution 1920 x 1080 pixels

RAM
RAM installed 4096 MB

Storage Hard Drive
Hard drive size 1000 GB


Read more: http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/desktops/medi ... z11uoT80ig[/small]

[runagate]

Hey, remember my previous post from 357 days ago?

much of my blog is devoted to multi-touch
I've been waiting years and years
http://runagate.noisepages.com/wp-admin/ (.......)

Stantum's MDK-4.3 with pressure-sensitivity and an "under 8 ms" latency (the maker's of Lemur) dev kit is 750 euros (currently $1117.50 USD)

Synaptic's ClearPad (they haven't gotten back to me on OEM or dev kit prices)
http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/prod ... efits-3000

I spent bajillions of hours trying to find sample components of many such true mutli-touch displays or controllers, in particular Synamptic's ClearPad 3000 since I couldn't see any reason not to start including them in just about everything, most especially a USB standalone version so one needn't buy a whole Sharp Nebius NJ7OA laptop just to get the display/digitizer... well I finally, at long last, found one single one and it just arrived in the mail yesterday:



Whoa, sorry that pic is so huge! It was taken with my ZiiEGG (which is rapidly spiraling into vaporware territory itself).

So, anyone know what on earth to hook this thing up to? I'll figure it out eventually but pointing me in the right direction would certainly be appreciated.

[23fx23]

Eizo make a 17 inchs portable multitouch monitor:


http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/16/eizo ... h-monitor/

pros 17 inch decent portable size, stand.
cons: 1024x1280 , assuming resistive 2 touchs, since they only speak about two touch and stylus...arf

im looking for one of these in form factor, but capacitive. arf hope there will be some at xmas.

[senso]

Eizo makes really good monitors

[23fx23]

yeah i had one by the past, picture was really good. we still often see some in gfx studios.
hope touchtechnology will follow...

[gurulogic]

"This touch technology employs two infrared optical sensors in the corners of the screen and detects very light touch from a bare or gloved hand as well as a touch pen"

[runagate]

I saw a really wicked-looking touchscreen/integrated PC on an amaginly nice articulated armature (significantly better than the clunky one I have for my old 14" single-touch display pending replacement when something better comes along) as the P.O.S. (Point of Sale) device at a Vietnamese restaurant on my birthday recently. I asked the guy what he had and he said, "Facebook" and I laughed and I said, "No, the touchscreen!" and he showed it to me a little but I just assumed it was the other kind of P.O.S. (piece de merde).

Later, while researching touchscreens as I so often do I stumbled upon the exact silhouette of what he had. It was unquestionably an i5 Win7/capacitive multi-touch display all-in-one for P.O.S. applications. Then, mystifyingly, my PC crashed and I lost the "History" in my browser (and about a bajillion other important things, most of which I recovered) and haven't been able to rediscover what it was. I did note that their highest-end all-in-ones were about $1500 USD but not only is that fairly reasonable, given the absurd cost of even dual-touch all-in-ones, but being that it was powerful enough to be most people's primary DAW-hosting desktop (not for me, but then I couldn't afford it anyways) it seemed like I should mention it. Especially if I re-find the damned things.. then had other, non-P.O.S. computers with touchscreens but the information on the site was sketchy... as seemingly always.

[gurulogic]

Some more M2256PW info / teasers

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/wi ... splay.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/3mtouchsystems

Getting really tempted..but I know that as soon as I would buy it there will be a more portable and less expensive model on the market!

[23fx23]

same here, more and more tempted. if no better portable challenger offers at xmas think will go for it.
but rechecked in france its has raised up to 1800e HT!, ouch. a group buy may lower le price by the way..

exept the portable factor it's sooo sexy and perfect: 30points, fast response, no ghost touch problems, edge accuracy, cool pod ect;
at least from 3M we know the technology is being mastered and not quick packed in slate form factor.
the fact it detects two points even if fingers are so close, with no weird jumps when rotating is insane cool.

arf i want one!!!!!

[23fx23]

viewsonic, that usually make good monitors, i used some at work,
make a multitouch 21.5

supposed dual touch as IR.



http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/uk/produ ... 2258wm.htm

[goyya76]

don't know if it's been already posted....

http://www.harmonycentral.com/blogs/New ... uchscreens

They say "affordable" - maybe 1500 USD for a 32" multitouch is RELATIVELY not a lot (for me, it's a lot in ABSOLUTE terms!)

Cheers,
Goyya

[nay-seven]

but...but...what is this software they use for their demo......?....mmmm...?:D

[ethnix73]

It's strange, it's remind me a software i know, but wich one?

Do you have an idea nay-seven?

Maybe we should ask tp senso himself...

[nay-seven]

yep, were are in contact with victor wong ( computing music ) but i let senso talking about that....

[runagate]

I wonder if it wouldn't be sensible to approach this with a group-buy type of tactic?
For the computer musicians who know what they want I'd think it'd be possible to stir up enough people who pony up enough to get an OEM supplier to think it worthwhile, but it'd probably take something like a single-order shipped to one place and a redistribution from there which could be hellishly expensive so it'd have to be kinda small screens...

If nothing else I'm pursuing two (!) different suppliers for my "project to save us from this impasse" at the moment

[nay-seven]

talking about Music Computing , on of the problem is they have only US and Canadian resellers for now , nothing ready for Europe or rest of the world , but maybe they gone to work on this..

[gurulogic]

Also I don't see any prices for their 6 touch. Regardless, even 32" is too big for me. The 3M still wins so far...
(mind you, I really like the rear projection idea!)

[Clearscreen]

At the moment the 32"6 touch is $2299 USD, so the 3M wins on price and number of touches. I like what their doing though - well worth keeping an eye on and hopefully they'll improve with a bit of time!

[multiphone]

The 3M M2256PW in action:

http://www.francoischarron.com/-/ITo3QstMxx/menu/

[23fx23]

they already hacked the kinnekt,

could make a really cool relatively cheap tool like wiimote, here turned into multitouch controller.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/hack ... interface/

[nay-seven]

hé hé , crazy guys, but as said someone in the comments , is this multitouch..? more multi gestures now..?..

[23fx23]

yep multi 3d gestures for soon

[multiphone]

Hello,

Cheaper solution around 139€ (with a Microsoft game)

Yes maybe i'ts a good solution for testing new application of the gesture if the 3D capture is efficient, but for multitouch for the moment only the screen version are very interesting.

[23fx23]

Stantum stops Lemur production..

[Floego]

Maybe the dead of the lemur marks the start of a new era of massification (and standardization) of the multitouch culture?

[Clearscreen]

Stantum stops Lemur production..

Either they're making too much money out for production for military uses, or they have somethin else to release?

[23fx23]

floego:

thats more or less the title on cdm lol

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/11/j ... /#comments


@clearscreen yeah i feel military is a more important buisness for them. Sad i wished they kept on plying in music area.

i would sooo hope they'll bring real monitors with their technology now..

they say from a while we should se some products stantum powered, but we still don't

[Léo Moldo]

Hi everyone,

Have you heard of this new multi-touch concept a designer named Clayton Miller just released?

http://10gui.com/video/

There's is really few information on his website, it seems that it hasn't been implemented yet (only an interaction concept), but I found it really interesting because it solves the physical ergonomic problems of touchscreens and seems much more simple and cheap to build!

I think this guy is a genious! But there's maybe problems with this concept I didn't get, what do you think?

I'm hoping there will be an industrial interest to develop and commercialize it within a few years (but I guess it could be even sooner!). And I guess it could be much cheaper than 10 touch screens are these days!

[23fx23]

yeah that seems cool, their ui reflexions shows intellingent ideas.

it's a bit the concept of apple magic trackpad or reminds me that guy that emmit that clever idea a few time ago:
a 2$ diy multitouch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzNh31q6 ... r_embedded

[nay-seven]

Thanks leo moldo, it's a good analyze of multitouch questions but sadly an old 1 year project..?

[Léo Moldo]

Oh you're right!

I had read that this video was released in october, but I thought it was october 2010

--> 23fx23: clever!

[nay-seven]

A cool idea , but poor ( really poor ) characteristics as always...

http://dvice.com/archives/2010/11/is-this-a-netbo.php

[Floego]

could this tablet be capable of efficiently running usine?

viewpad

[23fx23]

as a good osc or midi ui remote probably yes,
but if want running audio with few tracks and vsts, no.
i guess a slate is ok for 2 or 4 track mix with not too much process, but not for serious complete multitrack live/creation with various vsti/fxs and samples streaming it will not be beefy enough.
If used as only a part, some instrument inside a band, a multifx or simle 4 track mixer it may be enough, depends on needz.
in my canse here i easy runout cpu on a quad corei7 and already need to optimize everywhere, so i don't imagine the same liveset would runs moothly on an atom 1.6gh ..

[23fx23]

this ones seems more beefy, to come with i5 and 4bg, and not one but two screens!
but price is certainly ouch, and would still prefer a real monitor, but
hey wouldn't usine on this be awesome?

article on endgaget

[multiphone]

One multitouch 6 point solution for 360€ free shipping...

Here :

http://www.zaagtech.com/home.asp

[nay-seven]

whaoo, great one Hervé !
22 and 24 " , and the best price we have for now
the only bad point seems the latency, about 16ms
who gone to test first..?

[runagate]

this ones seems more beefy, to come with i5 and 4bg, and not one but two screens!
but price is certainly ouch, and would still prefer a real monitor, but
hey wouldn't usine on this be awesome?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com ... -press.jpg
article on endgaget

That thing's "gesture designer" impressed me as the first "we get it" implementation I've ever seen - enough so that I totally forgot to come post about it here.

I've found more MT devices but, because they're all either inadequate or ludicrously over-priced, I haven't really bothered to collect them and post them anywhere recently.

The Zaagtech spec's state "customizable up to 10 touchpoints" and there's 22, 24 and 27" sizes and "other sized upon request" plus it's compatible with the WIndows 7 Touch API as well as TUIO! How cool is that? on sale for $480 USD at the moment... expensive, but it'd fit over autostereoscopic (glassesless) 3D HD display (again, if you're rich). I can just imagine myself trying to correlate 3D visual coordinates with my favorite 3D binaural audio panorama positioning... hahaha.

Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CWTqLci ... r_embedded

the big news, which I'd already been following, is TUIOKinect for hacked M$ VR-style gestural controllers so, given this standards' origins with the tangible UI of the reacTable, I imagine this MT kit working quite well in conjunction with a repurposed Kinect or two.

I did just pick up a VGA-rez pico projector for use as a portable display-anywhere combined with, hopefully, per-coordinate unique ID markers of a grid of guides to aid tracking hand gesture and other object's volumetric and Cartesian measurements - multi-touch + 3D/VR gestural GUI anywhere one finds a flat white surface in relatively dim lighting. Rather wish I had a couple thousand clams to blow on my dream UI I've daily dreamt (and written music presupposing the eventual arrival) thereof lo these last 17 years.

What really makes it hard not to sell a kidney to afford is that the monitor I'm starting at while typing this happens to be 24", albeit only 720p

I've been writing bitterly dry classifications of MT, VR and other input modalities' value ranges, datatypes and range & datatype properties for the last 15 hours so I may be a little too mentally frazzled to make sense tonight but it's nice to see that, at long last, a couple people with access to the means of producing them are retailing the bare minimum required featureset for the next generation of computer music affordances.

[woodslanding]

It seems like the practacally ONLY real use for the iconia would be usine

But it looks like only a dual-core processor

Anyone hear about a price????

[runagate]

woodslanding, I definitely remember the price...

ACER has launched the Iconia which is a dual touch screen tablet running an Intel Core i5-480 chip, 4GB of RAM, 640GB storage and a four-cell battery. Two screens running on a single four-cell battery means this is going to be a desktop replacement since ACER told TechRadar its only expected to last about three hours.
Connectivity on the Acer Iconia comes in the form of three USBs, one of which is USB 3.0, HDMI as well as 3G and Wi-Fi. Both screens run 720p and can be used completely independently of each other. On top of the Windows 7 Home Premium Acer has added an overlay called the Acer Ring

The Acer Iconia dual touchscreen tablet has a UK release date of 16 January and will cost £1,500.

Silver lining? There's two videos through this link by which we can live vicariously for a scant few moments. I mean... that GUI middleware layer looks mighty well thought-out.

Or about twice the price of my entire DSP-crunching i7 3.7Ghz behemoth plus the 24" multi-touch frame plus my monitor plus a Kinect. Hey, I have to give them credit: despite the Toshiba-like pricing it really is the first true MT device which, aside from the laudable inclusion of two multi-touch capacitive displays, has real, live, already-installed gestural management software that had me shaking my head saying, yeah, you're starting to get it while I'm literally coaxing funtional logic, mental artifact affordances and parameter value/datatype property taxonomies researching the "atomic" fundamental building blocks for - you guessed it - pan-modality, User-intention semantic code interpretation derived from HMI beyond-gestural stereotyped actions across any interpretable modality input action pattern combination... in other words, machine learning and configuration/command-assignment of "gestures" regardless of the DoF (degrees of freedom) invloved, the types of sensors/actuators interacted with, value-range multivariate correlations, etc. so it was already sort of on my mind One year ago preceding paragraph would have seemed nothing but ofuscating mumbo-jumbo to me; now it's technical jargon that I half-understand/half-misuse and doesn't sufficiently map the feature spaces I envision anyways.

Is there literally no one on this planet willing to sell small units of true multi-touch digitizers? I have this odd, bristling pile of prototype components awaiting a zeroth birthday party.

[Clearscreen]

The gestures look pretty good! I'm not sure I think the price is that prohibitive - I guess I'm hoping the street price'll bring it down a bit...:/
Anybody know how fast the i5-480 will be? I haven't been able to turn any hard specs up but it "seems" it'll be one of the new gen quad cores? at least I found an i5-460 that is meant to be a quad at 2.66, but who know's... If the iconia has a half decent video setup I might be interested - I can sacrifice a bit of power for mobility I reckon!

[Clearscreen]

Just thought more about the gestures and I'd hate to have the keyboard or the acer GUI pop up in the middle of a performance! Hopefully you can disable that stuff?

[woodslanding]

Yeah, a lot of questions.... But if 1500 pounds = 1500 dollars street over here, it might be worth trying to figure out how to do it. Gotta have 4 cores, tho.

Of course a little 15" touchscreen I could just plug into my laptop would also be nice.

[Clearscreen]

Of course a little 15" touchscreen I could just plug into my laptop would also be nice.

preachin to the choir brother

4 core is what i'd be looking for I know, but I'm already thinking about what I can do with it and usine - must... resist... GAS!!!

[23fx23]

i don't catch why no manufacturer jumped on the music market yet with such 15' portable monitor.

Lemur is out, there is only closed Ipad or slates, they would really make nuts actually....

[Clearscreen]

FUller iconia specs:

Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) and is equipped with an Intel Core i5-480M / 560M / 580M CPU, up to 4GB of DDR3 memory, a pair of 14-inch multitouch displays (1366x768 resolution), integrated Intel HD graphics (128MB RAM), VGA / HDMI outputs, an inbuilt microphone and a S/PDIF interface. There's also a 320/500/640/750GB hard drive, Acer's CrystalEye webcam (1280x1024 resolution), 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 3.0+HS, integrated 3G WWAN, gigabit Ethernet, a four-cell battery and a total weight of 6.18 pounds. Closing things out, there are a pair of USB 2.0 ports, a single USB 3.0 jack and a one-year warranty.

Not too sure about integrated graphics!! i5-580m is a 2.66 - 3.33 dual core by the sound of it...

[martignasse]

ha, good news

at least, it seems to be a 'real' computer, not just an internet tablet...

but same range of hardware for a tablet PC with a bi-touch screen (Toshiba Portégé M780-102) can be found at 950/1000 € here in France

ok, only one 12.1 inch screen and an i-core i5-520M(2.40 / 2.93 Turbo GHz)...

anyway, it's coming slooowwwly

[gurulogic]

The Dell Studio 17 comes up several times when searching on the forums here but I'm not sure it has been discussed in any depth?
Available with an i3, i5 or i7 cpu and an optional multitouch 17" screen that supports 4 simultanious touch points. Not sure the response time. Price seems to be apprx $1400 US with 1.6Ghz i7 and multitouch. Unfortunately the screen does not appear to open in a practical way for use with touch applications.

Wish I could buy just this screen without the computer!

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/notebooks ... s=22&s=dfh

[23fx23]

yes seems beefy, but the fact we can't really fully flaten it kind of sucks, gorilla arm granted

[23fx23]

here comes the dell 21.5" ips

infrared so i guess 2 points only but at 310$ full HD, it's cool..seems made to be flatened too,
i might go for this one..


some vid (ad):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxvQw0GVH2c

[multiphone]

Hello 23FX,

Let me know about the ghost points an global quality, if you buy it.

Thanks in advance

Best

[senso]

Can we buy it in france?

[multiphone]

Hello Olivier,

I do not think I did anything in that direction.

Best

[23fx23]

mmm arf seems not yet avaible in france, only u.s for now. hope won't be too long..

[nay-seven]

last article by Peter Kirn about tablet:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/01/h ... -use-them/

[runagate]

It only took 2 years since the 2009 release date of Windows 7 but here is a 32-point multi-touch USB display overlay FINALLY:

A 24-inch overlay starts at $449 with the mutli-touch apps and SDK included. The overlay is capable of detecting six fingers at one time and the Plus version can detect 32-fingers at once.

The overlays in 24-inch and 27-inch sizes will ship in January with a smaller 21.5-inch version shipping in late Q1. There are also overlays for other size screens in the works.

There's even a video if you click through this link.

[multiphone]

Hello Runagate,

Thanks for this info but the link to the video is broken.

[nay-seven]

here the good link :
http://www.slashgear.com/pq-labs-shows- ... -10125398/

[multiphone]

Ok, Thanks Nay !

Best

[runagate]

multi-touch all-in-one with 3D display:
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-eee-top-e ... -20108855/

I don't even have the heart to bother to track down how many touchpoints it has

[runagate]

still too expensive by far, 2-touch only "standard," "customizable" up to 6 or 32 depending on the model
seems like a great way to gouge prices, but judging from the horrific music in their demo videos their targeting the most susceptible to hype chromosonally-damaged types anyways who probably won't blink at the price in comparison to their glowing disco floorboards

http://www.musiccomputing.com/motioncommand

[ edit - insomnia isn't the best for cross-posting ]



I may actually learn at long last whether the multi-touch OEM development bits and pieces I now finally have here can be cobbled together into something workable, so that'll distract me from wishing I had those lovely motion computing multi-touch displays for the moment

[Clearscreen]

Had a read og this thread (Guitar Rig on Netbooks) and wondered about running easine on one of the new "multitouch" win7 netbooks like the gigabyte s1080. Basically I'd like to run it as a 'super' multi fx that I can reconfigure etc with Usine's touch control - any chance of this working out?

[nay-seven]

Must work, then i suppose performance are more depending of the effects you want to use inside Easine...?

[Clearscreen]

Probably the audiodamage plugs, guitar rig and maybe reaktor... I've tried to get an idea of what i might do by throttling my 2.8Ghz t9600 laptop back to 800Mhz dual core (is that a reasonable test?) and I can run more than i thought I'd be able to. Guitar Rig in particular is pretty light as long as you stay away from some of the amp sims and leave 'hi' off. It's a pretty useful multifx setup that could run on a few channels. Reaktor runs pretty well also, and bigseq from audio damage seems useable as well - all in all a lot of potential I reckon, as long as the control interface (ie Usine) can work. Anybody tried usine on a netbook lately?

[gurulogic]

Acer Iconia 6886 is now shipping.
Intel Core i5 480 4GB 640GB 14IN Dual Multi-Touch (10 touch points?)
$1199 CAD
http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/iconia-home

or at my local computer shop
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=59595 ... cture=Acer

so tempting but I so can't afford it right now unless I sell other stuff

[Clearscreen]

WOW! That's much cheaper than I thought it'd be!!

[23fx23]

yeaahhhhhh arg want want want

[hydre]

Yeah I'm getting a PQ labs 24inch 36 point interface tonight!
Can't wait to test with usine.
I was wondering how to set it up with usine does usine receive tuio messages directly?

I bought it in france by the way, from these guys in marseille http://touchandstore.com/

[Clearscreen]

Yeah I'm getting a PQ labs 24inch 36 point interface tonight!
Can't wait to test with usine.
I was wondering how to set it up with usine does usine receive tuio messages directly?

I bought it in france by the way, from these guys in marseille http://touchandstore.com/

SOOOOO interested to hear how you go with this!! Keep us informed Hydre - I hope it's awesome for you!

[r.erorr]

If this is multi-touch app. is here somehow possible to connect two mouses? Of course "multi-touch" does not mean exactly the same as "multi-klick", but if... this would be very useful. I now how to get two mouse pointers with CPN mouse drivers, but there is no possibility to for click and move[fore example sliders] them simultaneously.

[Clearscreen]

I've wondered about CPN mouse before, the biggest problem was my touch screen is only single touch anyway so two pointers would be irrelevant for now. Be interesting to see how it works with a multi touch screen? probably unnecessary with a multi touch screen, Win 7 and Usine though...

[mat]

something new with multitouch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujTnub2W ... r_embedded

[nay-seven]

yes, but the price...
I've ask victor about a 22'/ six point , they gone to sell some and add this to their catalog but for 1.299 $..
compared to a M2256PW (22") 20 points ( reel screen , not overlay ) ...
you can see the discussion on their forum :
http://www.musiccomputing.com/index.php ... Itemid=108

[mat]

yes, heavy price.

the 17" 2-point is 199. did not figure out its only 2 points at first.

would prefere 15" or 14" multy for my setup anyway, so i could travel light. but noone makes something like that, only huuuge cinema displays ...

[Floego]

Sadly, a lot of this multitouch displays or frames were not designed thinking for real mobility but for stand room exhibitions, kiosks or something like that!

As you said mat, there's a need for multitouch displays with a more compact size.
We could even be capable of using two or more of them at the same time! THAT could be the norm.

[ZOUKOUPOMME]

hello

It exists "monome emulator" for Multi Touch Screen?

[gurulogic]

hello

It exists "monome emulator" for Multi Touch Screen?

Should be possible in Usine. I made some brief tests but lost interest when I could not figure out a script to split multiple simultanious OSC messages. Otherwise I believe there is an emulator for ipad but that is a bit out of scope for this thread..

[gabbamat]

I know I am late, but the thread is very helpful for me!
1 1/2 year later - what is the best buy?

a usine newbie and maybee soon touchscreen user says merci

g.

[nay-seven]

Sadly, the things don't really move recently...
for my part : 22' , 2 points :
packard bell viseo 200t
samsung ld220z

[waolelaid]

hello does the packard bell viseo 200t work with Win 7 ?
i found one for 120 euros
thanx

[nay-seven]

yes, and i can even say : you'll need win 7 to have multitouch...

[multiphone]

Hello waolelaid,

For 120€ buy it right now ! I'ts good deal !

Best

[waolelaid]

Hi thanx for your advices it might be done in the week
I cross my fingers

[runagate]

I wish I could sell an organ to get an Acer Iconia - can't really beat 2 10-touchpoint multi-touch PCAP displays with gesture learning. It's even an i5 so it's not a complete waste of money to buy the processor like most of the even-more-expensive MT laptops - it's about $1200 here in the United States.

[woodslanding]

wish they offered one of those screens in one of their regular laptops.....

unfortunately, my music machine needs to function as a computer as well!

[woodslanding]

I'm looking at the dell XPS laptop. Does anyone know how many touches that screen allows? I'm afraid it's only 2, but I can't find that info anywhere....

thanks,
-e

[nay-seven]

yep, when they don't are more precise, it's generally 2...:rolleyes:

[nay-seven]

just receive an e-mail from Zaagteg, the have new products and sell a 42" 10 Touches Overlay ONLY 1180USD
but can't find prices directly on their website, suppose you have to send an inquiry
here a 24 " 6 points

[Floego]

It's into an early stage but this multitouch infrared implementation could be a smart approach: radial lines instead of parallel ones:

ZeroTouch

The article says it has a high framerate (maybe little latency?)

I don't think it could be cheaper than existing ones but maybe more versatile.

[oli_lab]

Hello,

What I like to do is some sort of remote control for my ever growing system :

could a tablet like this one could run Easine, with no audio at all, only OSC thru Wifi and with decent latency ?

http://www.rueducommerce.fr/Son-Numeriq ... AD.htm#pdd

I'm planing to use it more as a remote mixerdesk, muting tracks, patch select ...from this remote to a more powerfull computer running Usine...

[iococoi]

hi!

there is a quite cheapish(3€/5$) remote desktop-app for android/ipad called

http://www.splashtop.com/remote

looks rather promising and might do the trick, till affordable/capable tablet-devices for real time audio/video will show on the scene.

check it out..

cheers,
io

[nay-seven]

yes iococoi, but you can't run Usine on Android....
i suppose Easine and specially in no audio mode can be used this way ( of course i can't affirm 100% without testing )

[oli_lab]

thanx for the replies : bougth it this arvo, keep you updated how it goes....

[nay-seven]

do you know how many touch it support..?

[nay-seven]

here a future mix tablet/notepad
13 ", 4 points,win seven pro, i3,5 and 7 support
maybe interesting to follow..? ( but will be expensive i suppose)
french link:

[ErotiCore SteNch]

im thinking on getting myself a touch screen overlay for my 22 inch monitor

[Clearscreen]

here a future mix tablet/notepad
13 ", 4 points,win seven pro, i3,5 and 7 support
maybe interesting to follow..? ( but will be expensive i suppose)
french link:

The dell XT's usually are a bit overpriced in my opinion. Be better off with an iconia 6120?

[woodslanding]

darn, I just bought the same thing without the cool hinge--e6420.

Oh well--you usually pay about $600 for that hinge

Mine is only 2 points touch, but that's okay for my purposes.

Only problem--I can't use the Nvidia driver for the video card on my machine, which makes the graphics look kind of crappy. Usine seems fine, but in my browser the fonts go from black to blue along the line....

Their driver kicks DCP latency up from 50 microseconds to around 1500-2000!

-e

[gurulogic]

here a future mix tablet/notepad
13 ", 4 points,win seven pro, i3,5 and 7 support
maybe interesting to follow..? ( but will be expensive i suppose)
french link:

Just when I finally gave in and purchased a dual touch Lenovo X220 tablet with i5! Oh well, the dell is too expensive it looks like and no expresscard slot that I can see. The X220 is a pretty sweet little unit, should keep my two fingers happy for awhile.. shame it's only dual touch though

[mviljamaa]

Would it be pointless to create a wiki page about the available and Usine-compatible multi-touch devices on the market? It must be a big selling point of Usine and users (like me) are asking for suggestions about suitable devices

[nay-seven]

Hello and welcome mviljamaa,
i understand your request , the problem is that's there no so much devices and above all, we do not want to promote a mark more than an other.
This post is a good place to share experiences and news.

[barabou]

i follow this discussion since a long time and it seems there are still very few multitouch devices available.

I would like to know what you think about the acer w500: http://www.acer.it/ac/fr/FR/content/iconia-tab-w500

seems to be at least 5 points touch, running windows 7. Do you think it could be possible to run easine on it and, at least, use it to control a bigger PC ?
for me it sounds like one of the best solution at the moment..

[Floego]

i follow this discussion since a long time and it seems there are still very few multitouch devices available.

I would like to know what you think about the acer w500: http://www.acer.it/ac/fr/FR/content/iconia-tab-w500

seems to be at least 5 points touch, running windows 7. Do you think it could be possible to run easine on it and, at least, use it to control a bigger PC ?
for me it sounds like one of the best solution at the moment..

This processor is a little bit faster than an atom but certainly slower than an athlon II or a celeron, so it should work in theory but not for processor/memory intensive tasks. It's latency (either sound latency or touch latency) is something that should need to be known before buying.

What is the price, is it availabe now?

[nay-seven]

yes, it's available now, and you can see several test on the web, price in Europe is around 499 €, 100 more if you want the keyboard
test I've see are various , only 1 usb port , none if you plug the keyboard..
i' suppose the best way to test , could be to prepare a workspace ( as say Floego more for Remote in OSC or MIDI in a first time ) on Easine put it on a USB key and find a correct Dealer where you can ask to run it
anyway as they'll certainly not accept you install asio4all, would be difficult to test audio..

[Clearscreen]

If you're after something more powerful, go for one of these:Iconia. Has a much better processor and two 10 point touch screens, shame the video's kind of ordinary, but i'd be a much more viable machine...

[nay-seven]

Have you test it Clearscreen..?
would be cool to have a video with Usine running on this machine...

[Clearscreen]

Not yet, it's only up for pre-order in Oz.... Can get them out of Canada and the US for $1k roughly though - awfully tempting!

[nay-seven]

French article, sorry but here the first video of samsung tablet with windows 8 running

11,6 ' 16:9ème Capacitive
Resolution 1366 x 768
4Go RAM
Wifi – 3G
video here

[Clearscreen]

Very interesting Nay - thanks for the post!

[Clearscreen]

I've come across a reasonably priced asus ep121 tablet - anyone had Usine on one of those? Any opinions?

[nay-seven]

yes, hope we'll see some users review soon with those kind of tablet, as least as midi /osc remote...
I've test Usine on the windows 8 developer preview recently, no problem, works fine.

[Clearscreen]

Managed to get a quick hands-on with an ep121 and a Samsung xe700 the other day. The Asus has a more usable screen in terms of size but according to system properties it only has two finger touch pointsand is fairly chunky/heavy. The samsung has 8 touch points, but I'm not sure the screen is large enough to really be useful... it's nice and light for what it does though,a and it is a bit larger than my ipad so I could e wrong about that as a first impression. They both certainly seem quick enough, and the screen on the Asus was really nice to look at.

I'm going to wait for now, the forthcoming jazzmutant lemur ipad app might reduce my need for either one of these yet...

[nay-seven]

50 points but... 40 Kg and 8000 $ !!! microsoft solution !

check here

[multiphone]

Hello Nay,

The most interesting thing here is the new approach to infrared touch screen.

If they can miniaturize it quickly, then it will be interesting for us.

[nay-seven]

Microsoft and quickly can't go together...


An other interesting approach from Switzerland, haptic touch screen :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KipWYT1l5I&feature=player_embedded#!

[Floego]

This usb multitouch monitor looks really cool! does anyone knows anything about it?

http://www.mimomonitors.com/

[waolelaid]

Hi , i need some precisions about the packard bell viseo 200t
in fact i have problems with my vertebral cervical and it's difficult
for me cause since a week i'm completely blocked i saw the assembly
on nay's website and my question is can i incline it more than it's
showing if i remember well at the workshop of pantin it was almost
in a flat position , is it possible not really flat but in a closed angle
this will help me
thanx for any answers

[nay-seven]

hello wao, hope you 're well, not easy those cervical pain...
yes, the tips is to inverse the screen , then you go in windows parameters/display/orientation and choose inverse landscape ( same place where you choose the resolution )

[waolelaid]

hello Nay , thanx for the trick and your fast answer
which allows me to use the sceen as if i read a book
it's for me a better position i hope that it doesn't avoid the
cooling of screen
i shall try it as soon as possible cause i must reorganise
the room my wife and daughter pay me a 5.1 for christmas
and i think i'll have questions about this in Usine
thank you once again
good evening

[mat]

Hi , i need some precisions about the packard bell viseo 200t
in fact i have problems with my vertebral cervical and it's difficult
for me cause since a week i'm completely blocked i saw the assembly
on nay's website and my question is can i incline it more than it's
showing if i remember well at the workshop of pantin it was almost
in a flat position , is it possible not really flat but in a closed angle
this will help me
thanx for any answers

sorry to hear that! usine shure is the best thing to do to make some output instead of input (tv, reading, thinking...) all the best!

This usb multitouch monitor looks really cool! does anyone knows anything about it? smile

http://www.mimomonitors.com/

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0026/7 ... png?100480

this indeed looks very good! right size, one cable, multitouch!

i´ll try to get one in a shop to test it without hazzle of return in case.

also a option maybe: http://faytech.de/product_show.php?id=37

against the http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kmi ... -con/posts

whats better: haptic or flexibility ... ?

[nay-seven]

We have some QuNeo in pre order, be sure we'll review it as soon as possible ( around March i think )

[allegro]

hi everyone - just bought usine - running Series 7 Samsung laptop - 8 touch digitizer 4gb ram. I'll post its performance with usine as I delve into the program.

[Clearscreen]

Thanks allegro, very interested to hear what that ones like...

[mim]

Hello,

First post, here. I'm evaluating Usine because of Reaper's brand new OSC support. I have a 38", real multitouch screen. It's a DIY screen, based on http://www.nuigroup.com ressources.

I'll use Usine mainly to remote control Reaper, I did some test, and made a container of the OSC pack - Mixer x6v2, in a "stand alone window" which look so cool when reduced !

I'd like to let the "pack of fader" hang on the Reaper's mixer - in the thumbnail form, while I'm working on Reaper, and in one click, I could eventually expand the "pack of fader" right under my hand to adjust sends of a track, for exemple.

The problem is I can't find an option to make the reduced container, "stay on top". Each time I get back to Reaper, the mini-remote fall in a deep holl of Z order windows.
In fact I'll gladly make the whole Usine "stay on top of any other software" since the main window of Usine will be on a different screen ...

So guys, does this option exists ?

Usine seems to be a nice piece of software, the multitouch handling and GUI creation is very cool. I think it can have good talk with Reaper.

Thanks !

mim

[nay-seven]

Hello and welcome Mim
the problem is not on Usine side but from Windows , i've to test with a vst version but waiting for this you can maybe split your screen; 2/3 for reaper, 1/3 for remote Usine part..?

[mim]

Thanks nay-seven for your answer

Unfortunately my reaper window match a hardware controller below the screen, and I don't think there is a way to reduce it.
Probably why I find those thumbnails so attractive ...

Are you suggesting a pinned vst version of the patch ? (pin = stay on top option in reaper)
This way those thumbnail would be pined too ? Outside the main area of the vst ?
Interesting, I'll wait for your test results !

[nay-seven]

you can test with the Homing pad VST ( in the free download section) and try the option ( in reaper) dock FX window in the Docker

[mim]

Hey nay-seven,

Thanks for your suggestion

It seems I can find a good way to integrate Homing VST in my screen layout (by pinning the floating FX window).
I've bought usine stage because feature wise it's closer to what I need.

During my test, I found out that even if I'm focused on usine, Reaper's pinned windows are in front of usine.
It would be super nice if Usine can have the same kind of behavior. Maybe should I make a request in the forum ?

Thanks again

[ohrengift11]

Hi Folks,
is there anybody out there with a functional multi-touch overlay from PQ labs controlling usine?

I ordered one and although my hardware is brandnew the touch response is extremely slow and imprecise (but the calibration worked flawlessly) and with usine there is no multi-touch interaction.

I had a dream............. - and I am not a guy able writing a customized software!

Is this technology working or not - please help!

Thanx,
Gerd from Austria

[nay-seven]

really strange,don't know any one who test those specific products , have you multitouch with windows ( i suppose you have windows seven..?) and have you activate it in windows preferences..?

[jean-marc duchenne]

The problem is I can't find an option to make the reduced container, "stay on top". Each time I get back to Reaper, the mini-remote fall in a deep holl of Z order windows.
In fact I'll gladly make the whole Usine "stay on top of any other software" since the main window of Usine will be on a different screen ...

There is some utilities that do that, like Actual Window Manager, or PowerMenu which is free : http://www.abstractpath.com/powermenu/
(you have the new options at the left menu icon of the windows)

[mim]

The problem is I can't find an option to make the reduced container, "stay on top". Each time I get back to Reaper, the mini-remote fall in a deep holl of Z order windows.
In fact I'll gladly make the whole Usine "stay on top of any other software" since the main window of Usine will be on a different screen ...

There is some utilities that do that, like Actual Window Manager, or PowerMenu which is free : http://www.abstractpath.com/powermenu/
(you have the new options at the left menu icon of the windows)

Thanks for the head up !

I've tried some utilities (stay on top, and a couple of others ...) but it didn't worked. I'll give a try to the ones your suggesting.
I was afraid of PowerMenu because it seems "x86" only, I am using W7 x64.

Do you use an x64 system and AWM or Power Menu for Usine ?

Anyway I'll try and report

[seamus]

Any Bootcamp mac users using a small touchscreen with their laptop?
Would this be better than say using an ipad with osc?
It seems that if you design some nice interfaces in USine you then have to go and design more interfaces for the ipad.
With a touchscreen monitor attached to the laptop i could just touch my Usine creations.

Then again maybe i should buy a windows machine.
My bootcamp mac roars through windows 7

s

[senso]

Personally I use a Samsung LD220Z + bootcamp without problem. The total surface is equivalent to 6 Ipad.
Some users use an Ipad's to control Usine. But to works with OSC you have to install a OSC control software on the Ipad like Lemur.

[seamus]

Wow. Samsung LD220Z looks cool. i think I will have to get that.

I might get that for home and then a smaller one for live performance.
what would you recommend for live performance? ipad size would be good i suppose. It would need to be light weight and portable.
i think its better to see and touch the usine modules than have to configure lemur to do it.
Who knows maybe lemur on a iphone + the touch screen. i have yet to try lemur.
i am so excited by the combination of Usine and a new vst from Nyle Steiner.


thanks
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[senso]

My own experience is that touch screens are always too small...
But maybe a windows7 tablet can be interesting ?
something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE700T1A- ... B005OUQ9WO

[seamus]

You may be right. A hotrod of a windows tablet might be the answer.
My latest gen mackbook pro has alot of cpu to beat though! Bootcamp is awesome!

http://www.howtogeek.com/100886/how-to- ... pc-or-mac/

u can use ipad as secondary touchscreen monitor.... good for bootcampers who have ipads maybe.

My own experience is that touch screens are always too small...
But maybe a windows7 tablet can be interesting ?
something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XE700T1A- ... B005OUQ9WO

[nay-seven]

Maybe an other interesting approach if they successfully miniaturize it :
Multitouch Projector

[r.erorr]

Jesus!
would be not bad as stationary , but as portable attribute - like warrior

[nay-seven]

yes, not really a new technology, ( you can find some oldest videos like this), but this time Microsoft add this to their research ( withouts any credits btw..) so maybe a new hope ?

[nay-seven]

Always expensive and with projector, but a good step..?
ClearView mini

[r.erorr]

I think iron cost ~200, projector ~400, and most interesting part [unfortunately integrate] for us ~ 100 [in best case for them]
smart business

[r.erorr]

I can't find much info about that tool, but it looks interesting as multi controller
http://lookmanohands.org/

[seamus]

looks like the only seller of Samsung LD220Z in the USA doesn't have them in stock. I guess it's an old model.
Does anyone have anthing similar they might recommend?

[seamus]

http://www.musiccomputing.com/motioncommand-windows

is anyone using the motion command overlay? It's cheap and maybe good if you already have an old montior you want to transform into touch.

[nay-seven]

Don't know anyone here who test those products ,and I'm surprised you can't find any simple dual touch screen in US

[seamus]

i couldnt find the samsung LD220Z that senso recommended. There are other monitors for sure. I was just looking for recommendations
i ordered: http://www.mimomonitors.com/products/mi ... uch-deluxe.

Still looking for nice home multi touch...i will look into your Viseo 200T. Maybe Bootcamp users can use it.

[seamus]

Another possibility ...

http://www.oneworldtouch.com/product.html?pid=2

It's the PLANAR PXL2430MW

Anyone tried it?

[nay-seven]

expensive no..?
What about this one, i suppose you can find it in US : Dell st2220t

[seamus]

looks very good! thank you!

[joffo78]

hi
what do you think about this for usine ?

acer iconia

[nay-seven]

The idea is tempting (even if could be fragile..? ) , a processor i5 is already a good point, best thing could be to test..?

[seamus]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402811,00.asp

This 7inch tablet runs windows 7 with a USB port.

Usine to go

[Clearscreen]

hi
what do you think about this for usine ?

acer iconia

That's an interesting review. I've been awfully tempted by these since they came out... I have had a quick hands on with one and the keyboard/screen seemed responsive enough to work with. Viewing angles seemed good when the screens were laid flat too. Most of the reviews I've read focus on it as an office machine which isn't overly relevant to our purposes. I found one review that looked at it as a DJ'ing machine that was positive about it. And apparently Win8 doesn't work as well as it should on it (lack of appropriate drivers etc. makes it less than ideal) which is kind of annoying.

I'm keeping my eyes peeled for a suitably cheap secondhand one that I can play with, but the tantalising closeness of the supposed flood of win8 tablets is making me hesitate for now...

[seamus]

http://tablet-pc-review.toptenreviews.c ... eview.html

This is good but you know there will be better .

[nay-seven]

Here a new one on the road



Sony VAIO Tab 20, all in one,screen 20' Mutitouch 10 points (capacitive)
several processor/ram/price possible, can be used with battery ( around 2/3 hours) , wifi, bluetooth, can be use as a big tablet.

bad points :Resolution 1600x900, and no video out (?)

An English review : sony vaio Tab 20

And here a French video at 1: 54 you'll see 5 fingers, seems clear and ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuQNyEhW ... re=related

Thanks to Multiphone for infos

[multiphone]

Yes !

Thanks to Senso ! is the first to see this info.

Best

[barabou]

this one also, from acer

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/15/acer ... -displays/

it s seems it s finally time for multitouch....

[nay-seven]

yes, thanks barabou , this acer one has 10 points and his ability to tilt back up to 60 degrees can be a good point

[woodslanding]

it s seems it s finally time for multitouch....

Or is it?? No news in this thread for 3 months. I went searching for monitors, and found less than I did 6 months ago.

I noticed a new 19"HP all-in-one at Costco... but I don't want a computer. Seems like that size is not available anywhere.

Slow going!

[secretkillerofnames]

Kinda digging that this can be used with Splashtop 2 on the iPad.
Though I do think setting up Lemur templates will be more useable.
I am interested in current available Touchscreens that will work with Usine running on a Macbook with Bootcamp and Win7.

[woodslanding]

Okay, this is what I'm looking for:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/03/shar ... a-big-pad/

Hoping it shows up on my continent soon!

[secretkillerofnames]

I'm in Australia. Doing a search I haven't found much available that isn't beyond my budget.
The Viewsonic TD2220 seems like the best deal but also seems pretty hard to find. Any reports on it?

[nay-seven]

a good touchscreen monitor reviews website i found this morning:

http://touchscreen-monitors-review.toptenreviews.com/

[multiphone]

Hello Nay,

Thanks for this link...

I use the ACER model few weeks ago and I am very satisfied, i"m waiting about the "Holly" version for more...

I'm ready !

[r.erorr]

Is there any capacitive touch screen for reasonable price?

[multiphone]

Yes !

This one : http://www.grosbill.com/4-acer_t232hlbm ... niteur_lcd

For me is the better compromise...

[iococoi]

the big ones are coming.only i3 at the moment, but i5/i7(U) on the schedule..apropos schedule, how is hollyhock coming along?

http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/lenovo ... 61100.html

[Clearscreen]

I'm in Australia. Doing a search I haven't found much available that isn't beyond my budget.
The Viewsonic TD2220 seems like the best deal but also seems pretty hard to find. Any reports on it?

It's painful how slowly this stuff gets here isn't it! You could try B&H video or tiger direct if you're prepared to buy from the US... Prices are cheaper, but warranty claims get tricky.

[nay-seven]

i don't have test but this solution seems cheap for a 10 points screen

http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280 ... ry=3094861

[woodslanding]

This is what I've been looking at. Hoping it might go on sale for black friday.....

http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00LX7M2RI/r ... YNS7HGC6Z1

I am currently using the Dell e2014t, but I can't recommend it. It has optical touch which misfires in all sorts of conditions. I'm on my second unit, so it's a problem with all of them. I like ASUS as a company a lot better.

[creepjoint]

I'm using a HannsG HT231HPB, dirt cheap but really good for the money.
23 inch LED 10 point touch.

Price is currently £144 on Amazon!!

[nay-seven]

Great, i think you found the cheaper 10 points screen here !

[stefan-n]

Someone on amazon-germany mentioned that the HannsG will not work with Windows7, drivers are Windows8 only. So I assume creepjoint uses Win8.
I totally failed with the Dell E2014T. No reaction at all, although anything is connected and installed. A companion in misfortune said this monitor even fails to connect to his USB ports. Dell support requires to run a diagnostic program, which runs for hours without any result. Will send it back.

Would be nice to hear from any experiences with the ASUS VT207N and Windows 7.

[woodslanding]

I returned one of those dells, and the other one they sent has the same dead touch spots. It's a loser.

I've heard virtually nothing about the ASUS, but it is a brand I trust.

[gurulogic]

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned these yet, but the portability factor is very appealing to me. 10 point touch too.
The 10" is available on sale at a local retailer for $240 CAD, very tempting! The 15" is looking a bit rare to find, I think it must just be recently released.

http://www.gechic.com/product_en.asp

[Jongleur]

Hello, someone to a return on this screen Iiyama T2735MSC-B1 Screen Touch PC 27 Thank you

[creepjoint]

Someone on amazon-germany mentioned that the HannsG will not work with Windows7, drivers are Windows8 only. So I assume creepjoint uses Win8.
I totally failed with the Dell E2014T. No reaction at all, although anything is connected and installed. A companion in misfortune said this monitor even fails to connect to his USB ports. Dell support requires to run a diagnostic program, which runs for hours without any result. Will send it back.

Would be nice to hear from any experiences with the ASUS VT207N and Windows 7.

Im using the HannsG on two Win 7 machines (32 and 64bit) and a Win 8 just fine. Ive tested both VGA and HDMI output.
Windows built in drivers are fine, just need to enable tablet support and calibrate so that Windows knows which attached screen is multi touch, which takes about 30 seconds.

[woodslanding]

Just thought I'd bump this, and see if anybody has heard of anything new and interesting in the last year....

Seems like touchscreen development is at a standstill!!

I'd still like to find something like the Sharp LL-S201A for a more reasonable price. Just thin, bright, lightweight, and fairly large for $200 ish.

After a year, there are still no reviews of the ASUS touchscreen. It's thick and heavy, but I could make it work.....

My dell 2014 has dead spots all over, using it with my mac mini running windows 8.1, but works fine with my dell laptop running the same OS! I have no idea what's causing that, but it makes me nervous about buying another touchscreen.

[magickz]

Not sure if this belongs here: in the graphics design world Wacom Cintiq seems to be one of the best pressure sensitive touch/pen displays for digital painting, photo retouching and so on. It is not cheap. Or should I say: not affordable.

But they have some competitors with more affordable prices and not too bad reviews as well: Huion, Yiynova, Ugee, just to mention a few.

IF that could be an option try to find "pen tablets" in the electronics department (for example at amazon).

[Vas]

I recently got a 23" mutli-touch monitor so I am anxious to see how Usine will work.

Is there a demo version available?
When will the intro price end?

[nay-seven]

Welcome Vas,
yes the version you can download on this page is fully functional, so you can test your monitor.
about the promotional price we don't have decide yet.

[fishphacurr]

Just discovered Usine Hollyhock in the last couple of days, it's looking really interesting (and quite deep!). Totally blows my mind that it's all such a small operation working on the program.

Question: does the OS X version support touch (say like with a Raven Slate?)

[nay-seven]

Welcome fishphacurr,
And thanks for your enthusiasm,
I have never had the chance to test a Raven slate screen, must work. But apple screens in general do not offer multi touch, no

[fishphacurr]

Thanks for the reply! The Raven screens look interesting...definitely curious about how well they work. Maybe we will see a multi-touch iMac some day ha.

Now, back to watching tutorial videos... I think I will likely by buying this software soon- I'm very intrigued with it, especially with the possibilities with syncing audio and video.

Kindest regards from TN USA.

[nay-seven]

Great,
and feel free to ask any other questions you can have!

About touch screen, if you have an Ipad there's application like Duet display and Air display 3 which lets you add a part of your workspace ( the toolbox for ex:) as a second screen.